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Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.

Started by EMdevices, November 12, 2007, 11:49:58 PM

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wattsup

@btentzer and @duff

Yesterday I went and got a torroid transformer input 110VAC -  two ouputs 8.2 and 12vac. Anyways I took it apart to get the ferrite core.  I managed to salvage the secondary winds, but the primary was really a mess to take off.

It is about 2.75'" OD by 1.75" ID and .5" thick.
I will wind this tonight to do some tests.

I hope this new ferrite has a better uH then what I have now. I think Duff mentioned there are ferrites with upto 480 uH and his was around 150 something. My current ferrite should then be a 2. lol

What would you say would be a good winding strategy? If the second coil wound over the first or in between. I see btentzers' trigger is not going over the first two windings, while EMs trigger coil is wound over the coils.

I agree this is not OU also, but it is a good point to start from. I will eventually try my Cook coils on this on the supply side, maybe even one on each side since I have three of them lying around. 

duff

Quote from: wattsup on November 21, 2007, 11:37:38 AM
@btentzer and @duff

What would you say would be a good winding strategy? If the second coil wound over the first or in between. I see btentzers' trigger is not going over the first two windings, while EMs trigger coil is wound over the coils.

Wattsup,

I can tell you what I did but of course there are many ways it can be done.

I started winding 10 turns of the collector first.

Then included the recapture winding along with the collector for the next 20 turns (bifilar).

I ended winding the last 10 turns of the collector by itself.

I then went back and wound 8 turns of the trigger winding interspersed between the other collector/recapture at the center of those windings. That way your not winding on top of the other windings and you've layed it down on the toroid.


-Duff



Bruce_TPU

Quote from: wattsup on November 21, 2007, 11:37:38 AM
@btentzer and @duff

Yesterday I went and got a torroid transformer input 110VAC -  two ouputs 8.2 and 12vac. Anyways I took it apart to get the ferrite core.  I managed to salvage the secondary winds, but the primary was really a mess to take off.

It is about 2.75'" OD by 1.75" ID and .5" thick.
I will wind this tonight to do some tests.

I hope this new ferrite has a better uH then what I have now. I think Duff mentioned there are ferrites with upto 480 uH and his was around 150 something. My current ferrite should then be a 2. lol

What would you say would be a good winding strategy? If the second coil wound over the first or in between. I see btentzers' trigger is not going over the first two windings, while EMs trigger coil is wound over the coils.

I agree this is not OU also, but it is a good point to start from. I will eventually try my Cook coils on this on the supply side, maybe even one on each side since I have three of them lying around. 

Wattsup,

I wound bifilar for exactly half the ferrite core, then taped then ends, all very nice.  Then wound the trigger on the middle of the second half.

I too have some ideas to test it with.

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Thaelin

Hi all:
   Since this is wound on a ferite core, has anyone here used a ferite magnet in its place yet? I have a few from old MW's around here some place and think I might try that. May be polarity sensitive due to the magnet pole. Guess we'll see.

thaelin

Bruce_TPU

Hi Thaelin,

That sounds like a very good experiment.  I look very forward to hearing the results.  Remember our "same signals, different source"?  I am thinking of building a second circuit and testing that as well.

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.