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What is the engineering problem of the SMOT?

Started by psychopath, January 13, 2008, 04:47:36 AM

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Quote from: Low-Q on January 13, 2008, 06:14:29 AM
Quote from: psychopath on January 13, 2008, 04:47:36 AM
Assume for a moment, and belive, that a SMOT definitely works. No doubt.

Now tell me why you have failed so far. What is the reason you couldn't loop a smot(a looped smot isn't a smot anymore though...)?

Some people say it's because the ball cannot drop. It can, and we all know it, we've all seen it.

So why, why is it that you couldn't get the ball back to the starting position, to go up the ramp once again?

ps Has anyone managed to make the ball drop on a position at least slightly higher than the start position?
If we assume that a SMOT works in a closed loop, there wouldn't be any problems. Right?

Well, back to the real world. A SMOT have the problem that it cannot be closed, and still run. The engineering problem is the lack of knowledge about how permanent magnets works. It isn't sufficiant to tell that it's impossible to make a magnet motor with permanent magnets, because they are static and neutral in nature. No, one have to explain how a magnet motor does not work.

This is a few facts about the SMOT in a closed loop:
A SMOT is basically two long magnets arranged as an open "V" where the entrance of a steel ball is in the widest part, and the exit is on the narrowest part.
The flux density is highest right before the magnets are at its narrowest, and not at the final end of the magnets.
Two magnets which is arranged that way have a space between them. And this space allows the magnetic field to behave differently than the inventor had in mind. At the end of each magnet, the shortest way for the magnetism to travel is by travelling straight around the corner of that magnet instead of travelling through the air to the other magnet.
This creates a counter force which prevents or slows down the balls speed as it approach the SMOT, because the magnetic density is in that point is higher behind the ball than in front of it - and not as the inventor had in mind.
In fact the ball is therfor forced in reverse within a certain area before it enters the SMOT.

When the ball finally pass this area, it will be "sucked" in between the magnets, and "searching" for the most magnetic densed area. This area is before the final end of the magnets, and the ball will get forced to stay within the most densed area. This is the second hinderance for the ball to gain the extra energy to pass the SMOT.

Now, you say: "The ball do pass the SMOT!". Yes it does, but not with higher speed than it had when it entered the SMOT.

Here is the problem. The gained acceleration inside the SMOT is counterforced by the reverse forces right before the enterance and right before the exit.

So the ball will never have enough speed to pass the reverse force in the enterance by itself. Thats the engineering problem with SMOTs.

Br.

Vidar

Thanks, your reply was what I was looking for. But I have a question, hasn't it been shown in some videos that there is some extra energy gained from smots?

Another question, even if there is not extra gain, can't you make use of the height gained? So if you make the ball drop to even 2 mm above the starting position you can, with a track sloped VERY little, bring it back to the start. And if the ball starts at the strating point without intervention, then there shouldn't be a problem.