Final Draft - Linnard Griffin Hydrogen Reactor Experiment Report

[brokensoldier]

Hi Dave:

I have only ever logged in to this forum once before, but compelled to do so again.  I go to this forum only to read your posts as I believe what you are doing here is truly amazing.  I wish I could help, but what is discussed here is beyond me.  All I do is sit back and read in awe and wonder.

I want to thank you for your intrepid service to humanity.  You are a hero.

..broken

[ResinRat2]

Hi Soldier,

Hero? I'm no Hero. Realistically the loop is still not shown to be closed so all I have so far is an electricity generator that ran for 20 days. The larger unit should tell the tail. I am grateful for the kind words though.

I just hope something useful for mankind can come out of this work. All signs look promising.

[tyrauber]

Dave, et all,

I have been lurking for about a week, and just couldn't hide in the corner anymore.

A week ago, I stumbled upon an article/video about John Kansas splitting salt water by using a 13.56-MHz radio frequency to agitate the salt in the water. That led me to Electrolysis, and ZeroFossilFuel's YouTube videos.  I watched them all. Even wrote him, asking a dumb question (Thanks for the response). Even started drawing up plans for my own cell.  But I am not interested in producing HHO, I want to produce electricity.

I lost probably 3 of the 7 days of research, navigating through dubious claims, and outright fraud.  But those other 4 days, have provided me with hope - something severely lacking for at least the last 8 years.  In those 4 days, I have found here on over-unity (and youtube) a community of thoughtless researchers, that are actively seeking a  DIY, "open-source" solution to the energy problem. The most noble intent, which I share emphatically.

I am just posting to introduce myself, throw in my support, and remind you all that what you are doing, and how you are doing it, is important!  By posting regular updates and videos, you immediately expose your knowledge to the world, not only stimulating discussion/innovation - but protecting yourself - and the knowledge- from those who fear it. Smart, Educational and Entertaining.

I want to help. Not sure how - I am a media technologist and filmmaker -  Science is not my strong suit.  But this is where IT is at - where the future is being made. When I am old and grey, I want to at least be able to say I was there! I watched it happen! So here I am. Please excuse my late arrival to the party, forgive the random idiotic question, and I will do my best to contribute to the cause as best I can.

I got some questions, suggestions, ideas.  Take them for what they are worth.

1) Circuit to Switch Zinc Electrodes (* Dave)
Right now you are manually switching the zinc electrodes every 12 hours, why not integrate a simple electronic circuit that could automatically switch the zinc electrodes?  The power draw would be minimal and you could run it off the second fuel cell.  Being electronic, you would then have fine tune control over how often the electrodes were switched.  As you found a difference between 24 hours and 12, I wonder what would happen if you switched every minute, second or millisecond.  Just a thought. You could even integrate a dial in the circuit and a display that showed the frequency of switch, that way you could experiment easily with different periods.

2)  HHO versus H2 & O2(* Dave, ZeroFossilFuel)
There seems to be at least two distinct systems being developed here. One uses stainless steel plates in a single chamber, requires an input and generates HHO.  Production seems to be high, but the resulting gas is highly unstable - and should be consumed immediately. The other has a dual chamber design, uses zinc and tungsten-carbide, requires no input and generates H2 and O2.  Correct?  So the first design is best suited for combustion applications, while the second is best for hydrogen fuel cell applications?  This implies that a fuel cell cannot be constructed to generate electricity from HHO, is that true?  Just trying to understand the similarities, or dissimilarities, between the two systems.

3) Wiki, or Centralization of Research and Videos
One of the things that has frustrated me in the last week, is that there wasn't one compiled source of research, videos, explanations and tutorials.  Most of my time was spent searching the OU forum, youtube and google. Once you start searching google, a whole bunch of shit rises to the surface and it is really tough to find honest information and answers.  I think it would really help to have an overview or chronology of the research, a wiki that has a chronological list of links to the research and videos, so that when a newbie stumbles, upon the subject, they got a clear roadmap and won't get lost in the B.S.. More-over, we could have specific wiki threads for various designs or research groups, in fact those wikis could be editable only by the specific design team, enabling them to use the wiki to document experimentation.

This is a model the open source community has found great success with, especially for projects with questionable legality (iphone and appltetv hacking).  Wikis are incredibly easy to setup, and I think it would do this movement a world of good to have one.

Anyway, sorry for the essay.  By now, I have most certainly overstayed my welcome.   I thank you all once again for your time, vision and nobility, and I eagerly look forward to watching your developments.

Ty Rauber

[linnard]

Dear Ty,

What a wonderful experience to read your post.

What the world needs are hundreds/thousands of dedicated people like Dave. If we had a unified effort to develop the hydrogen economy, we would succeed!

If you search the internet, most of what you find is trash. I believe there are few who are doing what they claim but at what cost? We need cheap energy!

All of my patents are or will be published. I will not give any leading suggestions as this would hurt the research and not help it. People like David are free thinkers and think out of the box. Do not let anyone tell you this or that reaction will not take place, instead try your ideal and find out for yourself. Take their work as a starting point and be creative.

Linnard

[ResinRat2]

Hi Ty,
Here are my attempts to answer what I could:

1) Circuit to Switch Zinc Electrodes (* Dave)
Right now you are manually switching the zinc electrodes every 12 hours, why not integrate a simple electronic circuit that could automatically switch the zinc electrodes?  The power draw would be minimal and you could run it off the second fuel cell.  Being electronic, you would then have fine tune control over how often the electrodes were switched.  As you found a difference between 24 hours and 12, I wonder what would happen if you switched every minute, second or millisecond.  Just a thought. You could even integrate a dial in the circuit and a display that showed the frequency of switch, that way you could experiment easily with different periods.Yes Ty, I plan on looking into this area of research in the near future. I purchased an electronics lab from Radio Shack and plan on teaching myself the basics of electronics in order to develop such a switching system. This is an area I am woefully inadequate in and I plan on doing what I can to improve that. I agree, I have thought exactly along the lines you suggest. It would be better suited for the larger reactor which would have a greater output and give me more of a power cushion to play with.

2)  HHO versus H2 & O2(* Dave, ZeroFossilFuel)
There seems to be at least two distinct systems being developed here. One uses stainless steel plates in a single chamber, requires an input and generates HHO.  Production seems to be high, but the resulting gas is highly unstable - and should be consumed immediately. The other has a dual chamber design, uses zinc and tungsten-carbide, requires no input and generates H2 and O2.  Correct?  So the first design is best suited for combustion applications, while the second is best for hydrogen fuel cell applications?  This implies that a fuel cell cannot be constructed to generate electricity from HHO, is that true?  Just trying to understand the similarities, or dissimilarities, between the two systems. I have never heard this, but it could be related to the fact that in the so called HHO systems (to me this just expresses a ratio of gas, not its actual makeup. Any gas, to me, would just be H₂ and O₂ mixtures)  are mixtures of hyrogen and oxygen and as a result they have no use in a fuel cell. Fuel cells require the gases be segregated from each other, no mixtures allowed. I am sure if I am missing something that someone will correct me.

3) Wiki, or Centralization of Research and Videos
This needs to be done, and some day I am sure it will. LOL! You may be just the one to do it too. Right now I am concentrating on my research and it is gobbling up a great deal of my free time. Just ask my wife, she will tell you all about it!!