Meyer type WFC - from design and fabrication to test and development.

[Spewing]

The Frequency is important because if we put in a pulse we are charging the inductors.We need to time this frequency so the inductors get fully charged and then put a 0 signal (gate time) so the charged inductor can now discharge. This timing is important and we would have to calculate this using the RC time relationship of our inductors.

When im using lawton circuit and im probing the Drain pin of the mosfet with my scope, I see spikes of over 200 volts. Do you know y that is??

you see 200v because your diode is bad or missing.

[Spewing]

Hi Joe

I think Meyer was using an alternator at the time to produce his pulses by rectifying the output. Also of course, ultimately it would be used to power a vehicle and so it would make sense to use the available vehicle alternator, or add a second unit. Either way it would keep things fairly simple.

Raz

I understand that Lawton also saw these high voltage spikes. Read through the info on this link and it is mentioned somewhere a few pages down: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Water_Fuel_Cell

Are you just using tap water?

not really, the rpm's the engine has to offer is not enough to produce 3 phase harmonics.

[Spewing]

When I first saw then Meyer video I assumed he was alternating the polarity of the pipes so as to vibrate or spin the water molecules.
Why was he using an alternator?. Then at a certain state of excitation the molecule splits by itself or is induced to do so by a small current.
This seems to be what Dr. Andrija Puharich claimed,

I'm not an engineer so I was wondering if it is possible to design a circuit that accepts a 3 phase ac input and triggers at  the high and low points of each wave  to reverse polarity of the pipes many times  each cycle.
I read somewhere that 600cps is necessary.

lol, from the video i watched i do recall stanley meyer say that he used 5 volts 2 amps, 10 watts. this is only on the primary side of the alternator, the secondary side of the alternator delivered over 20 volts over 15 amps to the cell.

the back emf spring harmonic 3 phase behaviour forced amps into the cell briefly so the water doesn't get hot no where near as quick, and the hydrogen producion is greater more than 10 times than using pure DC.

the alternator output is none regulated none pure none filtered DC. he used 3 phase harmonics.

try it.

[razasunny54]

Hi,

Yes im using just tap water. I can make gas at 0.5 amps as Stan did but the amount is not as it would be when I use 5 amps with DC but thats obvious. I think that might change after my plates get conditioned because they would increase the capacitance of the cell hence help increase the voltage across it and decrease the current. I checked the spikes again, I am seeing spikes as high as 2KV. Im using 10x probes to measure that. I have my circuit connected as per Lawton but I have made some adjustments to the circuit. I am powering my bifilar choke with a seperate PS and my 555 timers are on a different circuit. This way these spikes can never go back to the chips n burn them.

The diode that Lawton used that goes from MOSFET Drain to PS doesn't make sense to me so Iv removed that as well. My circuit is working well, and im able to produce OK gas at 0.5 Amps. I can control the gas production (Amp flow) by changing the frequency of the left part of Lawton.

One more thing. I probe the voltage at the Drain pin of the MOSFET and i see spikes of 2KV. The drain is also connected to one side of my bifilar coil. When I probe on the other side of the same coil which is conected to -ve terminal of my cell, my spikes are only about 300-400 V. Does any one know y that is??. I want the high voltage spikes to go across the cell not at the drain. Then I think my production would increase. Ill do these tests tommorow.

Any one have comments about the Choke, mine is 1.7mH and it has a coil to coil capacitance of 1700 pF. This capacitance would act as parralel Cap to the water cell. If the tubes/ plates are not conditioned (aka dont have an insulator layer on them) they would have a resistance of about 3 Kohms in water therefore your cell would act like a resistor and ALL the high voltage spikes and all AC voltage dont really help the gas production. After the tube are conditioned the cell STARTS to behave like a capacitor and ONLY then it would start storing charge but I have not seen my cell store charge (I just see a constant DC value of about 3 to 4 volts across it) when connected. Any comments are welcome.

[Farrah Day]

Hi Raz

I found that my ss test cell was storing a charge right from the off - hence before any conditioning had taken place.  You might have read my earlier posts above on this - I'm still somewhat mystified by it as you can't simply short out the cell to remove the charge.

Initially I thought that the charge was a result of the fact that the electrical charges from the cct would build up faster than the ion charges could move through the water, but if this was the case I'd still be able to discharge them by shorting out - I could not. It seems that I had to literally wipe the charges off the electrode tubes or wait 24 hours for them to discharge fully.  This leads me to believe that the charges are somehow sitting on the insulating chromium oxide layer of the ss.  I still find this intriguing.

Did you get chance to read through that link?  Lawton's spikes are in the kilovolt range too, though I assume he was measuring across his cell.  Seems like the inductors will be the key to high energy efficiency and high voltage spikes. It's just a matter of working out or understanding exactly what is happening.  As far as I'm aware,the diode you removed is to protect the Mosfet. From Lawton:

The transistor acts as a current amplifier, capable of providing several amps to the electrodes.
The 1N4007 diode is included to protect the MOSFET should it be decided at a later date to introduce either
a coil (?inductor?) or a transformer in the output coming from the MOSFET, as sudden switching off of a
current through either of these could briefly pull the ?drain? connection a long way below the 0 Volt line and
damage the MOSFET, but the 1N4007 diode switches on and prevents this from happening by clamping the
drain voltage to -0.7 volts if the drain is driven to a negative voltage.

Curiously, I realise today when I was looking at the Lawton cct with the bifilar winding that he has not wired it as Tesla did in order to magnify the energy it can contain.  Teslas bifilar winding has two wires connected and hence only two terminals to connect in the cct.  Tesla's explanation of this made a lot of sense, I'll see if I can provide a depiction of this soon.

Hopefully I'll be doing some tests of my own today, but I'm using deionised water.

With tap water at 0.5 amps, my cells produce a steady gas output, whether pulsed or straight dc.  However, there comes a point when only proper measurements of gas output can really determine efficiency. 

At this stage, rather than having to fabricate a gas measuring device, my alternative is to simply try and produce any visual signs of gas from my deionised water.  At 12 volts dc, I see nothing in terms if gas production, so I have a reference for my 12 v pulsing tests.

I'm also awaiting delivery of a good LCR bridge in order to make some accurate component measurements - my current handheld LCR multimeter is not up to it. It's all very well winding our own coils and inductors, but it is nice to get some idea of their values.