OVERUNITY USING TWO PROVEN OSCILLATORS ??

[magnetman12003]

I would hope that someone besides myself finds early first sucess.

As stated previously I am not after monetary rewards or fame at all.

I have been blessed by the good lord with much more important things in this life.

Finding the holy grail of overunity would be nice but I am not in a dire sweat to be the first to reach it.

Tom

[gaby de wilde]

It is not new, and it is considered by many to be "fringe" or even "mad" 'science'...

The last time I discussed Hamel's work I read people celebrating his death on this forum.

I never got that part, how can a psychopath blame some one for having a crazy idea?

Lets see.....be creative or be a dork?  gheeee hard to pick man.... duhh??

http://www.answers.com/fringe&r=67
Those members of a group or political party holding extreme views: "the lunatic fringe".

Where extreme describes the short sightedness of the author of the insult.

Or does it not?

[Koen1]

@magnetman12003: Okay, so you posted this as an interesting build project for people with spare time and money, basically? alright then. I can't disagree with that. It was just not clear to me that that was what you meant. I, in turn, meant no offense of any kind, but mainly wanted to point out that though this may indeed be an interesting 'toy' to build, it is not actually a "free energy" or "over unity" device... But then again, for a cool build project that doesn't really matter.
All that said, it is of course an interesting construction and I might indeed build one on a rainy night in the future. Sorry if my original reaction came across dismissive and thanks for resparking my "spinner" interest

@aussepom: so where exactly is this "eternal pendulum" then? If it were the case that a pendulum has been swinging since 1800 and does not stall, then surely it would be a celebrated scientific fact that would be on show in a London museum somewhere? Can you give the name of the creator/inventor? I've never heard of it... and I've been to London quite a number of times... If you can give more info, I'd love to go look it up sometime.

@gaby de wilde: I am having some trouble distilling the essence of your post from the text you wrote...
When you say "I never got that part, how can a psychopath blame some one for having a crazy idea?" then who are you calling a psychopath and who is being blamed for having what crazy idea?
Are you calling Hamel a psychopath? If so, then who's he blaming for what idea? Or are you calling me a psycho? And who am I blaming for what then?
(Not to mention the fact that I fail to see the evidence for any psychopathological behaviour...)
When you say "Lets see.....be creative or be a dork?  gheeee hard to pick man.... duhh??" then who are you calling creative and who are you calling a dork and for what reason?

And in respect to the definition of "the lunatic fringe", where do you get the "insult"? The word is not used in the definition.
It's not difficult, is it? A "fringe" is generally a term for (variations of) a border, edge, margin, sideline. "extreme" also means "on the edge of", "at the borders".
The "lunatic fringe" of a group thus means the "loony" people on the "border" of what the group generally believes/thinks/stands for.
So for example in a political group, the general concensus may be a politically "central" ideology, but there may be members that lean much more toward the left or right ideology, which still fall within the broad area of the group, but only barely, and they're right there on the "border" of what is and is not the established group conviction.
They are not yet outside the group, they still share most of the ideas and convictions, but they share less of them than the rest of the group, and have a tendency toward the left or right, which if they would take just one more step away from the groups central ideology they would fall outside of the "zone", beyond the "extremes" of the group, and go "over the edge".
Similarly, we call things "cutting edge" when it is groundbreaking, new, stuff that falls only barely within the realm of understanding. For example, newly discovered technologies are sually considered "cutting edge", which means it is so far on the "borders" of establishes science and technology that it is not common knowledge and is therefore also called "spearheading" technology.
Oddly enough, the term ""fringe" or "borderline" science is usually considered to be a negative thing, in the lines of "mad science" and "nutty proffessors", and it is often "marginalised" which also has a negative connotation in the sense of "?gnored" or even "ridiculed".
Which is actually a bit strange if you consider the fact that "fringe" and "border line" actually have a connotation very similar and often identical to "(cutting) edge", "margin" and "extreme"...
But I still fail to see the "insult" you refer to, gaby. Can you please explain?

[gaby de wilde]

@magnetman12003: Okay, so you posted this as an interesting build project for people with spare time and money, basically? alright then. I can't disagree with that. It was just not clear to me that that was what you meant. I, in turn, meant no offense of any kind, but mainly wanted to point out that though this may indeed be an interesting 'toy' to build, it is not actually a "free energy" or "over unity" device... But then again, for a cool build project that doesn't really matter. All that said, it is of course an interesting construction and I might indeed build one on a rainy night in the future. Sorry if my original reaction came across dismissive and thanks for resparking my "spinner" interest

Oh, I thought you was another one of those peeps dismising everything. I'm like having a nervous breakdown from reading their thousands of comments online. hahaha  IMHO you are the  hamel spinner researcher. If anything productive is going to happen it's all going to boil down to you.

here
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/david-hamel
http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamelspinner.htm

@aussepom: so where exactly is this "eternal pendulum" then? If it were the case that a pendulum has been swinging since 1800 and does not stall, then surely it would be a celebrated scientific fact that would be on show in a London museum somewhere?

There are various clocks that ran until they needed maintenance.

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-ooVnzrU3eqXHKSdB2TQ.j3cMn.tCeQ--?tag=clock
Yahoo! 360? - Entries tagged "clock"

The Cox timepiece is in the Victoria and Albert Museum in Britain.

Can you give the name of the creator/inventor? I've never heard of it... and I've been to London quite a number of times... If you can give more info, I'd love to go look it up sometime.

@gaby de wilde: I am having some trouble distilling the essence of your post from the text you wrote...
When you say "I never got that part, how can a psychopath blame some one for having a crazy idea?" then who are you calling a psychopath and who is being blamed for having what crazy idea?

I just I wish I could read something optimistic said about the Hamel spinner. There are people online who will attack anyone or thing that is even remotely related to free energy for various reasons. Hamel also claims he had contact with Aliens. This generates additional attacks. As if the system goes into hyper drive.  Trying to do constructive engineering in this environment is extremely bad for your mental health.  You can trust me on that one lol

But I thought you was another one. lol

Sorry about that, I will go bother some one else.

Please continue your research and forget I ever existed. :-)

hehehe

[Koen1]

lol gaby
Actually I was heavily into Hameltech some years back, and have studied Hamels various designs extensively.
If I had the money and the time I would have built his "ufo engine" long ago. I've actually seen some really impressive results with this "technology", allbeit nothing as exotic as claimed by Hamel. (lol wouldn't you like to see a 45 gallon steel drum with aluminium cones and magnets start to self-oscillate, self-charge, and finally rip itself loose from its steel bolts and shoot off into the sky straight through your roof? That allegedly happened with Hamel )
There are one or two guys that built versions of the "spinner" and the "weight-into-speed generator" that apparently do work. And I know of one guy who had a large spinner hanging from his garage ceiling, which caused the light bulb there to light up without power feed to it...

Thanks for the links though. I bet you have them on your site too? Like your site by the way.
And thanks for the link to the timepiece thing. I didn't know about this one. Every day is a school day
I do know there is a Duluc "dry pile" ("permanent" electrostatic power source made of aluminium foil, copper foil, and paper, sealed in a glass tube) driving a "Faraday" electrostatic bell (simple electrostatic motor/oscillator) which has been running for over a century... Also impressive...

Anyway, yes you are right, there are tons of nay-sayers and pessimists constantly attacking all areas of "free energy" research. And Hamel certainly got labeled a nutcase very quickly as he was always prepared to talk about his alien contacts. To me that doesn't really matter,  because any simple carpenter who gets some interesting ideas about magnet-based drive systems and actually starts trying to build them in his backyard, and keeps at it for years and years while people mock and shun him, is already impressive. Yes, he may claim he got his insights from aliens. So what? If he did, then it's not worth more or less because of it, and if he didn't then at least he's one heck of a tenacious man for sticking with his experiments and saucer construction for years, even when he's strapped for cash... He wasn't bothering anyone with it. And besides that, quite a number of serious people found his work very interesting... Jean Naudin even found it interesting enough to make a really nice graphical model of the entire Hamel saucer craft and its engine...
And besides that, there's tons of people who got their "brilliant" ideas in their dreams, or while daydreaming, or they just "pop into their heads"... Wasn't the chemical makeup of benzene envisioned by its "discoverer" in a dream of a snake biting its own tail, for example? What difference does it make if it "popped into your head", or "appeared in a dream", or "shown in a vision" or even "communicated by aliens"? For all I care you can claim your idea dropped straight out of the Platonic realm and hit you on the head... It doesn't really matter where the idea came from, as long as you didn't steal it from someone else, and as long as you can work with it to get some tangiable results.
That said, I must admit there are not many tangiable rsults in the Hameltech. There's only a small handfull of people that claim(ed) to have built a working "spinner","wisgen" or "3 CD"/"45GD". Quite a number of others have tried to build working versions but not succeeded.
As for your statement "as if the system goes into hyper drive", well there were some pretty exotic claims in relation to the Hamel craft and engine...
For example it was claimed that the Hamel saucer would absorb charges from the air untill extremely high charges were stored in the crafts metal, while the 'depleted' air would be vented along specially controllable pathways which would have a direct effect upon the crafts motion in the air, and the effect of these varying layers of charged air and discharges from the crafts metal bottom into the downward flowing charged air would be so intense that an "anti-gravity" effect was claimed to appear. Now considering the Lifter research and the Brown electrokinetic effect that is not inconceivable in principle. But then it was also claimed the crafts outer hull needs to be plated with slabs of granite. As granite is very heavy, it seems very unlikely that charges produced by what looks like an anomalous homopolar generator could reach energy levels sufficient to cause the Brown effect to levitate the entire granite craft...
Yet it was claimed this would happen and that the energy would be sufficient. It was also claimed there would always be a 1G gravity inside the craft, due to the same effects of the moving charged air and the moving charges in the metal, but now internally. How this would happen exactly remains unclear to me. It was also claimed that fresh air would be produced inside the craft somehow, while the engine is active, but that also remains unclear. And it was claimed that the granite would "react" with the energy flows around and through it, which would turn it into "celestial steel" as Hamel called it. Again very unclear.
Throw in the reoccurring mention of ancient Egypt and how the ancient Egyptian knowledge was connected directly to his Hameltech, and it is not hard to see why many people considered him to be a nutcase. Still, if he was a bit nutty, then at least he was very active at it and did come up with some interesting designs.

lol I won't forget you existed but I will continue my research. Does not look like I'll be revisiting the hameltech very soon though. Like I said, maybe on a rainy day sometime... But for now I'm too busy with my energy cell experiments.