Using Aluminum Multivoid tubes for the Stan Myers system

[Farrah Day]

Hi Jack

Not what I was expecting at all.  Obviously the voids are too small to have electrodes inserted between them, which makes the voids effectively redundant if the ali plates were to be used in normal electrolysis.  However, they would certainly increase the capacitance of a cell if the oxide layer proves to be a reliable dielectric and the water itself is acting as the cathode.

[JackDaniels]

I was playing around and here is what my inventory was:

Multivoid Tube length : 60mm
Pencil Lead / Carbon : 7 Pcs 1mm dia - 85mm long
Juice Straws : 7 Pcs 2mm dia Cut to 65mm
Plastic sheets: 2 pcs 200mm x 200mm x 3mm thick
Wires
9V Panasonic battery
Dual side Sticky tape - Used just one side.
Super Glue - What would this world be without superglue.
Plastic Tub

Water & Salt Water at room temperature.


Fixing the apparatus together

1) Plastic sheet one : Made holes for the Juice Straws to go through the Sheet and act as an isolator in the water to ensure that the pencil leads do not touch the aluminum surface.
2) Slide straws through the MV tube
3) Used sticky tape to stick MV tube to Plastic Sheet one.
4) Plastic Sheet 2, cut a slot so MV tube goes right through sheet and stops at the edge of Sticky tape.
5) Inserted Pencil lead / carbon through Straws and used Super Glue to stick them as one side of the straw

Experiment 1 - Tap Water

+ lead to Multivoid tube
- lead to 7 Pencil leads


Powered by 9V battery

Result - No conclusion

Experiment No 2 - Salt Water

Same configuration

- lead to Multivoid tube
+ lead to 7 Pencil leads

Powered by 9V battery

Result - Pungent Odor - Probably Chlorine? Probably the smell of Anodizing, took about 2 mins form power up.

Experiment 3 - Tap Water
No use of previous mentioned Apparatus

2 Pencil leads
+ 1 lead
- 1 lead

Result - Bubbling activity using 9 V battery.

Experiment 4 - Tap Water
Using previous apparatus - Change of wire configuration

- 6 Pencil leads
+ 1 Pencil lead

Result - Unknown - Still running, no way to check activity.

Now I read somewhere that using carbon would be the best possible Anode or Cathode as Platinum plated nickel is not so easy to come by as well as expensive and there is no for lack of a better word in my vocabulary "Erosion/Corrosion/loss of any material" I though about dipping my hands in the water being that we're carbon based but changed my mind about it. ;-)

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Now you'll might wonder why i put the leads into straws, well, i Figured if Oxygen was going one way and Hydrogen another then may as well find a way to channelize it on its way out. Simple logic. I Could change the configuration of wires to go 4 x 3 or 3 x 4 Anode x cathode or any possible config depending on the results I'd like to have.

So anyway... here are some snaps of what I made, if it inspires someone to try it out with a higher voltage, straight, pulsed, however you'll do it. I'd appreciate it.

I dont have the apparatus here to make it happen on the 22nd floor of a 32 floor condo.

Look forward if someone can find a solution.

Jack.

PS. The beer bottle behind was for inspirational purposes.

[Farrah Day]

As you've found out, you really don't want to use salt water. You get hydrogen at the cathode and chlorine at the anode (no oxygen at all), and chlorines pretty corrosive stuff!

Problem with carbon is that it's very brittle and usually only available as small rods, which will mean a very inefficient cell design.

Placing the carbon rods in drinking straws, will reduce the ion flow available from anode to cathode and so also reduce cell efficiency.  I personally would not bother experimenting with carbon rods unless I was considering building a high current plasma electrolyser. 

[JackDaniels]

I did think about that, sad that it performs so bad. Well i just used a 9v batt. I'd like to try something a bit juicier..

I tried Ultrasoncis - 1.4 Mhz and tried to play with it a bit... but no luck just converts water or salt water to micronic particles.
Will see if I can find a way to soup up to the 13.56 Mhz under water - this seems to be the lucky number when it come to Kanuzius...... did i get his name right?..... Never know what the outcome could be. I keep my mind open to possibilities.

Here are the lines i was thinking on - Image below. I wish, I wish I could find a way to use the aluminum. The guys at purdue are using Al, though it wouldnt make it really free would it. The black rods could be Tungsten-Carbide, Carbon, Graphite, Stainless Steel, Nickel (Plat Plated), FLINT.

Flint don't ask me why i thought about that, flintstones, cos i smoke and my zippo has one.... dont know.

Electrolyte - That is a big problem, I'd like to work with just water but looks like thats not as simple as it would seem. I've been researching liquids that have a good latent heat storage and came up with d-limonene, its an essential oil, don't know if that would work, its acidic but its still Oragne peel extract, Let's see.

Jack.

Did this in Goole Sketchup - Pretty nifty tool show what you want to quick.

[JackDaniels]

Some more strange thoughts:

Negative Ion Generators have been in existence for ages now using Tungsten needs to bounce atoms.
http://bodyrubinc.com/Sales.htm#3.%20How%20the%20Ion%20Generator%20Works - here is something I found on my usual browse of the Encyclopedia.

I used to play with this stuff as a kid, but never put one in water. Maybe i should have... well.

So here are some random thoughts.

Ultrasonic humidifier break up H2O - resulting in a fog of nano sized particles, the tungsten needles from the Neg Ion Gen is just about as fine as to hold one atom. Enough fog and enough needles should do the job. There will be an input, but if it runs your car, i'll be happy.

Neg Ion Gen's use High Voltage ranging from 1000 Volts to 40000 volts. and its pulsed, could that be the pulsing solution required for the Stan Myers experiment? I'm just doing some lateral thinking here, so feel free to scream.

Here's some interesting reading material on Nano Tungsten Needles - > http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/0022-3727/31/14/001/jd31014l1.html

Here's another out of the box / in the box idea.