John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts

[hansvonlieven]

Well, seems to be a hoax after all.

Nothing new in this game

Hans von Lieven

[devilzangel]

^^ from the link posted, there is no way to surmise if this is a hoax .. all the guy is talking about is business contract arrangements .. where does Jose Escamilla say that the guy is a "hoax" or that the "video tapes are fake"??

Yes, this is me..Jose Escamilla. I am not pulling any punches as I never do. There are many people out there thinking I'm full of it. Well, it's been a hard road getting things out in the public eye. The UFO phenomenon has taken it's toll on my life, complete with family problems, finances that never materialize and more, etc. The Rods phenomenon in itself, is a whole new story and contrary to all the simple 'insect' explanations, Rods are very real and NOT insects!

I apologize for not knowing how to reply to each of you...Yes UFO-TGSED thread would be very cool. I have an enormous amount of things related regarding the film, how it was made, and much more. Also, I am planning to release three films on You Tube, Google, My Space and any web sites willing to carry and present my films for "free!"

I am seeking sponsors right now for this event tentative date set at: February 25, 2008. The 66 year anniversary of The Battle of LA.

This guy doesnt sound like he is claiming he has evidence that the videos made by Lenard are hoaxes!

devilzangel
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[devilzangel]

I don't want to post videos. I want to get the apparatus in the hands of the public along with all coordinates to corroborate Lenard's claims. If more and more people can see them, then Lenard should realize he will make those "millions" he's always claimed this is worth. The reason I started this thread is because he has openly accused me on ATS and other forums as ripping him off and in setting the record straight I had no alternative but to call him on the contract he signed with me, to deliver what he promised in writing.

If he doesn't want to release the apparatus, okay, give us some coordinates. Independent verification is worth more than the original piece of film that started it all.

Jose Escamilla

i dont think this guy is saying Lenard is a hoaxer. Jose is pissed about legal issues. Lenard is scared to death for his life. lol. so many misunderstandings. 

devilzangel
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[hansvonlieven]

Of coarse Escamilla does not say it is a hoax, It would be very much detrimental to what he is doing admitting in an open forum that he was taken in by a hoaxer.

More than anything it is Watson's refusal to give the co-ordinates for even one of the so-claimed objects. There are a number of guys in this forum with the right gear that could very easily substantiate Watson's claim.

The other bit that stinks is that bit with the helicopters that has already been debunked, as Watson seemingly used existent footage from the net to "prove" he was being harassed.

I do not believe Watson's claims are real. Pity it does not say where in the UK. Watson operates from. Unmarked Chinookes in Great Britain?  Unlikely.

Hans von Lieven

[devilzangel]

i will stay open minded.

The users saying "it is a hoax" in the ATS forum are regular users who dont know any one of the parties in question. Jose not saying the word doesnt mean that it is that word. IF it is a hoax, his reputation is already hurt, doesn't matter if he says it or not .. self-denial doesn't fix anything.

also, him making a thread like that to "call him on it" is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. The moment he created that thread, he was committing "reputational" suicide.

the best way to show this is a fakery is for someone to explain exactly how what John is showing can be made and taped like that.

The videos have been posted fairly recently. I would give this guy a good year to come out and show how he is video capturing these 'earth orbit objects'.

The main problem is people want to make money every chance they get. Unfortunately it clouds their strategy making skills, these idiots don't realize that this issue is bigger than money. The first thing to do is to remain credible. I had a thought, the John needs to seek Steven Greer for protection .. lmao.