Muller Dynamo

[xenomorphlabs]

It has been said that the most important thing is to achieve efficiency from all aspects of the motor.
If you look at the wave form below you can see the voltage on arrow 1 the switch on time of the coil. At the beginning of the pulse the amplitude is at max indicating the coil is at its highest resistance or should I say impedance.
As time move on the amplitude drops of as the coils impedance drops quickly. Arrow 2. Then it switches off and you see the voltage returning back to the source battery indicated by arrow 3

The best way to make the motor as efficient as possible is to keep the pulse as short as possible.

But this then leaves us with the problem of not enough magnetic filed to drive the motor?     
I have had a solution to this and it works as well as providing more drive energy for nothing.

I have made some simple solid-state version of this set-up and
minimal pulse-width makes it run also most efficient with lowest input-side amp-draw (as to be expected).
At minimal pulse-width the output to the cap was in the same range as with higher pulse-widths. Keeping the signal on the flanks just
dissipates energy, but the generation part only cares for the differential.

[Tudi]

@webby1: no idea what a Franken Motor is and how it works. But you issue is very similar as described in zero point energy theory. Since you need to have an energy cycle : start from 0 take N forms  get back to 0 again, you can only define the length of the path of the energy until it gets back to 0. The idea is to break the chain at some point and hope that the time you can use this energy in your desired form is as long as possible.
A simple example to this issue is demonstrated using a motor having it's physiscal resonance tuned to the magnetic resonance. As long as you manage to keep this resonance, you are building up energy, BUT if you do not use this energy then at some point the conversion chain will get inversed and you will convert it back to mechanical energy again.
Translation to that : you have a spinning rotor at 1000 Hz ( this number is obtained from a lot of parameters like wire length, size, resistance...), you have a functioning window up to ex 1200 HZ. In this interval your setup will try to generate energy, which if you loop it back, will make your motor run faster, get passed the 1200 Hz barrier and will start sucking up all the built up energy just to be able to keep himself running. When it is slowing down from the 1200 Hz it's already too late for him to get enough energy to enter a new loop state.
This is why the DC2DC converter (or other load) is esential, to be able to chop your extra power that is looping back to the system to not go over your dead barrier.

Ofc, this is all just according to some theory.

This is why most replication will probably fail. Because people demand a looping system without enrgy storage. Instead of simply doing a proper measurement of the input and the output. If you have a stable input and a bigger output without the loop, you might be able to keep the thing working for a much longer period.

[nul-points]

I will preface this with that I have enough to drink to be honest with my feelings.... and concerns.
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It went straight to .27A and 6V then dropped to 0A and like 5.9V with the voltage dropping quickly but the with the red lead hanging?

This is a one probe reading, aka one legged, not possible except with high EM values\pulses.

hi webby

man, you ought to either DRINK or POST but NOT BOTH!!!! 

the spurious, single probe readings on the input V & A at switch-off will be the results of the integrator processing in the meters winding down

salut! 
np


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[toranarod]

Let us try to verify the following postulations by more measurements:

P1. Arrow 1 is the point of time when the hall sensor is activated, and the current in the driving coil is climbing up from zero Amps.
P2. Arrow 2 is the point of time when the hall sensor is off, the current in the driving coil is at its climax -- so it starts to fall at that very moment.
P3. Arrow 3 is the point of time when the driving coil's current drops to zero.

If the above postulation are correct, then I would further put a conjecture:

C1: the voltage drop from Arrow 1 to Arrow 2 is due to the current increase, which caused a bigger voltage drop (considered a waste) in between the battery and the coil.

C2: one crucial timing to make it efficient is this: Arrow 3 is at TDC (assuming it is in attraction mode).

C1: the voltage drop from Arrow 1 to Arrow 2 is due to the current increase, YES. As the coils resistance deceases with time until it reaches point 2 Time constant like capacitors. (considered a waste) in between the battery and the coil.

If the coil was a resistor in series with another resistor we would have a voltage divider? Yes. and the largest amplitude of voltage is always across the point of greatest resistance? what Arrow 1 and 2 show is the coil changing its resistance with time. The time on the CRO between Arrow 1 and 2 is 1.8 mill Seconds

the longer the coil is on the lower its resistance will go and the more current it will draw. Until it reaches saturation. what we want to do is control the point of saturation so we can control the motors speed and efficacy.   but still supplying a drive magnetic field.

   

[lanenal]

C1: the voltage drop from Arrow 1 to Arrow 2 is due to the current increase, YES. As the coils resistance deceases with time until it reaches point 2 Time constant like capacitors. (considered a waste) in between the battery and the coil.

If the coil was a resistor in series with another resistor we would have a voltage divider? Yes. and the largest amplitude of voltage is always across the point of greatest resistance? what Arrow 1 and 2 show is the coil changing its resistance with time. The time on the CRO between Arrow 1 and 2 is 1.8 mill Seconds

the longer the coil is on the lower its resistance will go and the more current it will draw. Until it reaches saturation. what we want to do is control the point of saturation so we can control the motors speed and efficacy.   but still supplying a drive magnetic field.

Thanks toranarod for sharing your opinion on C1. What do you think about P1-3, do you have any data validating or invalidating them?