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Muller Dynamo

Started by Schpankme, December 31, 2007, 10:48:41 PM

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ZeroFossilFuel

I've still got about 10 more pages to read before I'm caught up again but there's something nagging me that I haven't seen discussed here yet. Did anyone notice that the Gen II version of the Muller motor alternates rotor magnet polarity? I've got a feeling that by doing this there will be a speed or frequency at which the generator coils become self resonant, ESPECIALLY if they are bifilar wound. Should that occur, power outputs should fly off the map!  :o

Just an observation.

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totoalas

Quote from: konehead on May 22, 2011, 01:15:41 PM
Balancing rotors can save you LOTS of input amps even if it is not completey necessary like if the rpms is 5000rpm os so...
they should spin super easy and fast when very clean.
mount your muller-rotor HORIZONTAL in a stand with bearings and axle with nothing ferrouns nearby.
Hi Konehead
You made our build much easier

To have a decent output just like in 3 phase motors conventional
star delta start    connections ....High rpm does matter?????
As for wind gen   low speed   and high speed
or just stick to Muller configuration to achieve the best result

cheers
totoalas :) :) :)





synchro1

6.  Think about Ohms law!  Use it to your advantage!  30 volts .010, add a strand for amperage, to 30 volts .020 and you have just DOUBLED your wattage.  Treat the strands like little batteries."

Double your strand, double your wattage and double the drag on your magnet rotor!

Bruce TPU's false inference is that you can double your power for free. This just amounts to "FLUMMOXING".

"Ohm's law states that the current through A CONDUCTOR between two points is directly proportional to the potential difference across the two points, and inversely proportional to the resistance between them."

A CONDUCTOR means A SINGLE CONDUCTOR! Not a relationship between two or more wires. You can't "use Ohms law to this advantage'". This is where Bruce TPU has violated Ohms law. I want him to admit he's wrong and I want my status returned to normalcy.

Does anyone think there'd be any advantage to wrapping Muller dynamo output coils with wires of different gauges, then coupling the outputs of different strengths so that 2 times 2 equaled 22?  Imagine two output coils: One with thin wire of many turns for high voltage and another with thicker wire of fewer turns for more amperage. Both the same watts. How can it be possible to use Ohm's law to multiply the high voltage from one coil times the high amperage of the other to calculate actual output? This is delusory! The output can't equal more than the combined watts of the two coils!

This misguided approach would merely add to overall system entropy, not a gain in power! Ohm's law applies to current and voltage in a single wire ONLY, not together from seperate wires. That kind of mistake is extremely childish, and should not be pampered!

Splitting, seperating and coupleing Litz wires to diodes for the same reason only adds increased loss to resistance along with the increased system entropy. This simply amounts to backwards engineering!

How would one begin to FACTOR OUT system loss from first view?

khabe

Quote from: hartiberlin on May 22, 2011, 11:56:38 AM
The washers might be very important because they guide the flux
into the right direction and to finetune the distance of the magnets and the ferrite cores, so the ferrites do not get saturated from thr stator magnets.

You know you want the the flux to be switched back and forth inside the ferrite cores when the magnet rotor is passing by !

When the flux "switched back and forth inside the ferrite cores when the magnet rotor is passing by"  ... then distance between ends of upper and lower ferrite cores is ... oh dear ... visually  30mm, means that:
Upper magnet-> gap 10mm -> ferrite 15mm -> gap 10mm -> rotor thickness 10mm -> gap 10mm -> ferrite 15mm -> gap 10mm -> lower magnet
For what is able this flux what comes from upper magnet to lower through large air gaps and through 6mm uncnown ferrites?  Near nothing. Speaking about of saturation or about some kind of miracular energy bursts ... this is not serious ::)  Why to mess with pulse motor, why not to set focus to generator ???
cheers,
khabe

gyulasun

Quote from: maw2432 on May 22, 2011, 08:57:59 AM
Gyula,   thanks for your answer.   So we need the FWBR's because the phase differences of each AC generator coil needs to be considered in capturing all of the AC power.  I guess a common diode bridge would not be able to handle the phase differences.   Is there a phase difference in the coil pairs that Romeo uses? (I believe the top and bottom coil pairs are in a series).

Yes in a single coil pair (consisting of one coil at the top and one coil at the bottom) the two coils are in series (the induced voltages add) and there is no or negligible phase difference between such two coils so that they can be connected in series without any phase loss. 
BUT there are 7 coil pairs (i.e. 14 generator coils) and they 'see' the approaching and leaving rotor magnets at different times: this is what makes the individual output voltage of any randomly chosen coil pair differ in phase with respect to any other coil pair.
You can see how the coils and the magnets are positioned in a given moment with respect to each other either in Page 9 or in Page 17 of the PDF file Stefan collected from members contributions:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=471

So there is the need for using individual diode bridges for any one coil pair as Romero had and join the DC outputs of the diode bridges into a common positive and common negative point to charge a common puffer capacitor.

To reduce power loss due to the bridges, perhaps the output voltage levels induced could be increased so that the relative loss gets less or find diodes with smaller forward voltage losses like power Germanium types from the past (Schottky types were found bad performers! as Romero noticed) and ultimately MOSFETs as syncronous rectifiers could be used. HOWEVER, working on all such fine details to improve the setup should come AFTER a succesfull replication, this is what I think.

Gyula