Muller Dynamo

[e2matrix]

I would like to ask what people think of Rod Clark's M-G, video'd back in July 2008:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbF63Gzvtd4
With a "final version" the same month:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWpB3peU3Uk&feature=related

Rod uses a DC-driver motor, then the generator part looks a LOT LIKE Muller/RomeroUK.  He shows it self-running nearly 3 years ago!  where were we then?  And where the heck is this guy, Rod?  I've tried email and phone -- no luck reaching him over a couple of weeks trying. If anyone can reach him, or has a copy of his notes which one could have bought cheap (in 2008) please let me know!

I'm inclined to try Rod's approach for my first build of Muller, that is, an efficient DC motor to start with.  (Does anyone have a source for a small EFFICIENT DC motor?)

I've seen it before and it's been mentioned here but AFAIK he was not on the forum so no one to ask about construction details etc.  Looks real and I found no reason to suspect fakery.  Seems like a good confirmation that this concept is valid.  MIA by MIB's ?

[JouleSeeker]

I've seen it before and it's been mentioned here but AFAIK he was not on the forum so no one to ask about construction details etc.  Looks real and I found no reason to suspect fakery.  Seems like a good confirmation that this concept is valid.  MIA by MIB's ?

Maybe so; hope not.  But the guy (Rod Clark) seems to have disappeared from the planet AFAIK...
Thanks for your input -- I'll go with the Muller type for the build (my colleague agrees; we're in this project together).

@tudi -- I do not think that OU necessarily means that energy is extracted from ZPE.  But good MEASUREMENTS of Power in and out are crucial in this development, IMHO.  Let me explain a little.

I recall as a child wondering what would happen if a guy hooked up a generator to an electric motor, then took the output of the generator and fed it back into the motor.  Could you get it to keep running?
 
   That's what we're talking about here really -- correct me if I'm wrong -- with the Muller, RomeroUK, Bedini etc. devices.  Even if they somehow want to combine the motor with the generator (MG) with a single rotor, it's still such a combination.

   Later when I studied Physics, I learned that this is IMPOSSIBLE to keep running, due to something called the Second Law of Thermodynamics...  Entropy and all that.  Graduate school, PhD in Physics -- they drilled this in.  Heck, I drilled it in after I received my PhD.

  But of course, if there is an OUTSIDE SOURCE of ENERGY, then the combo can keep running as long as the OSE continues, with no violation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.  Like gasoline added to the motor/generator.

   Fast forward to the present and find inventors claiming they've GOT IT -- a self-running moto-generator (MG) combo.  OK -- once this is EXPERIMENTALLY VERIFIED and replicated and verified again, THEN we can do experiments to determine the nature of the OSE.

It really doesn't help to make progress if someone says IN ADVANCE of experiments, that it is IMPOSSIBLE.  Really, that is just a statement that there is NO other source of energy than those already currently known. 

I'm not willing to take such an arrogant Lord-Kelvin attitude.  I'm willing to let experiments take the first step, does it work?  Make the measurements carefully THEN we can worry about determining the OSE.  (And at that stage, I predict finding the OSE will be relatively easy through carefully-designed experiments.)

SO -- my question has to do with HOW to make rigorous MEASUREMENTS of a moto-gen (MG) combo.  Help me on this, I know how to do measurements of V and I using a Tek 3032 DPOscilloscope, for example.  Is that the best way to do rigorous measurements with an M-G?

[Tudi]

don't get me wrong JoulSeeker, i'm here trying to do what you are explaining to me. Yes, not everything is ZPE. Yes i agree about making something working in loop already means OU even if the reason is hard to explain. If i would not beleave it is possible i would not be here

Yes, i beleave Rod might have made such a device as Romero did. Watched ismael new video today. At some point the tried to use 10 transistors in parallel to reduce the resistance to be able to obtain "some" gain at every loop. Exactly what Romero was saying about the : try to optimize your device ( parallel diodes for bridge rectifier to reduce resistance ? )
There are many people that claim that made devices that others are not able to reproduce. We ALL seem to look the wrong way in order to reproduce these devices. Maybe ALL generators produce some OU but due to no #care we never observed them or we simply counted them as measurement errors.
People like tommyLreed or khabe comming in and stating : this is just a dynamo, why not buy a regular one at the store ? But those dynamos are not optimized for a specific RPM and load ! Every darn piece of this device will function non optimal unless made for a specific load. Even a tranzistor gives you the option to be fast or to consume more...The wire diameter, the wire length, the magnet strength ...

About measurement. It's all about power. Measure power. Not Volt, not Amps. There is a reason why people say : how much time it loops ? This is one of the most precise measurement in most cases. Even though the device has some initial stored energy, most of the time this is small enough to be neglectable and measurable. Charge a CAP and measure the amount of time it takes your device will fully consume it. Divide the power over time and you know your Watt / hour usage. Just like your regular home electric power meter. You can even measure in money how much it will cost you to run this device forever (unless OU )


ps(offtopic): Did bedini ever state he has a OU device or as simple pulse battery charger ?

[JouleSeeker]

don't get me wrong JoulSeeker, i'm here trying to do what you are explaining to me. Yes, not everything is ZPE. Yes i agree about making something working in loop already means OU even if the reason is hard to explain. If i would not beleave it is possible i would not be here

Yes, i beleave Rod might have made such a device as Romero did. [snip]

About measurement. It's all about power. Measure power.

Thanks for clarifying, Tudi..  Seems we are on the same page (above).
Just got off the phone with Sterling Allan...  Lots of developments in this research field.  It seems to me, gut feeling, that the truth about the reality of alt-energy is about to break free.

[Bruce_TPU]

Hi Stefan,

Do you recall your testing of the below picture?  Curiouse if you think it may have any bearing?  Something some of the replicators may be interested in tryiing....

Cheers,

Bruce