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Muller Dynamo

Started by Schpankme, December 31, 2007, 10:48:41 PM

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e2matrix

Maybe it would help to know the math for the angles between coils and also magnets.  Easy enough to calculate at 45° for 8 equally spaced in a circle and 40° for 9 equally spaced in the circle.  A couple basic drafting tools (even school kids type should work) and you can do the layout.  Just put coils and magnets same exact distance from center on these angles and you've got it.  That way you don't even need to know the distance between them as long as the angles are correct and the distance from absolute center is the same. 

e2matrix

Quote from: neptune on May 07, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
A plea to all computer wizz kids . I would not know a cad if it jumped up and bit me . Could someone post a diagram of two circles ,with lines radiating from the centre to the circumference . One circle to have 8 spokes and one 7 spokes . Then one could print these , stick them to discs , and use them as a drilling guide for rotor and stator . Just a thought .

Did you mean 9 spokes rather than 7 ?  You do have a good idea there and if it's done as a .jpg most programs can easily resize it for any other rotor sizes being built.  What I mentioned above should cover it too and can be easily adjust for different magnet sizes by centering the magnet over your angle lines. 

teslaalset

Quote from: e2matrix on May 07, 2011, 01:52:03 PM
Maybe it would help to know the math for the angles between coils and also magnets.  Easy enough to calculate at 45° for 8 equally spaced in a circle and 40° for 9 equally spaced in the circle.  A couple basic drafting tools (even school kids type should work) and you can do the layout.  Just put coils and magnets same exact distance from center on these angles and you've got it.  That way you don't even need to know the distance between them as long as the angles are correct and the distance from absolute center is the same.

Neptune,

I normally do this in Excel, using doughnut graphs.
I've attached a zipped Excel file example of one you can use.
The excel example contains 3 donuts, 7, 8 and 9 segments.

The thickness of the doughnuts can be adjusted by rightclick on the doughnut graph and then click 'Format data series'. You will get a window that looks like the one below.
Play around with the sliders to get the appearance you want.
Don't use the picture of the doughnut, it's just for example, use the zip file just above the slider picture.

Bruce_TPU

Hi Romero,
Congratulations!  Very well done, indeed.  Thank you for publicly showing your working replication of the Muller device.

Hi Groundloop,

Your drawing, showed the magnets between the coil ends and the rotor, in repulsion, but Romero, says he is driving them in attraction, yet approved your drawing.  I would just like clarification, and if it is attraction, to readjust the picture perhaps..   ;)  Aside from that, the picture is awesome, and a big help.  Thank you!

At ALL,
The individually stranded wire, in Romero's setup is simply reducing the resistance of the wire, allowing for greater output.  Often, coils are engineered with large diameter wire, for low resistance, but often, this results in lower number of turns, thus less inductance per coil.  This is easily overcome, by using individually insulated wire, for even less resistance, and also a greater number of turns per coil resulting in greater inductance, less resistance and greater output.  Take the resistance of the wire, for said number of feet (length) and divide that by the number of wires you are running in parallel, and this will give you the new resistance of said stranded wire.

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Groundloop

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on May 07, 2011, 02:08:15 PM
Hi Romero,
Congratulations!  Very well done, indeed.  Thank you for publicly showing your working replication of the Muller device.

Hi Groundloop,

Your drawing, showed the magnets between the coil ends and the rotor, in repulsion, but Romero, says he is driving them in attraction, yet approved your drawing.  I would just like clarification, and if it is attraction, to readjust the picture perhaps..   ;)  Aside from that, the picture is awesome, and a big help.  Thank you!

At ALL,
The individually stranded wire, in Romero's setup is simply reducing the resistance of the wire, allowing for greater output.  Often, coils are engineered with large diameter wire, for low resistance, but often, this results in lower number of turns, thus less inductance per coil.  This is easily overcome, by using individually insulated wire, for even less resistance, and also a greater number of turns per coil resulting in greater inductance, less resistance and greater output.  Take the resistance of the wire, for said number of feet (length) and divide that by the number of wires you are running in parallel, and this will give you the new resistance of said stranded wire.

Cheers,

Bruce

Hi Bruce,

The magnets and rotor was the only part of my drawing that I did not draw. :-)
It was a copy from Romero's drawing, so you must ask him.

Attached is the updated drawing.

GL.