Muller Dynamo

[xenomorphlabs]

Thanks Poynt.
The interesting question is whether in Plengo`s set-up (just regarded from an EMF perspective) the two bucking coils would output more power when just used not cancelling as the net EMF between the coils and magnets would logically be smaller as it is just a difference of the two individual EMFs.
If for some reason it is bigger, then the explanation for more o/p in the muller design is right there.

[plengo]

@ M

Well, it is theoretically the same thing, but as i said i can't get any measurable signal out of that coil as can be seen in Plengo`s video.
If i put the scope across one i/p of the coil and the center point that connects the
two coils then i see the in-phase currents from one coil.

I wonder why Plengo sees any currents/voltages at all, because
if he had a mismatch of 0.001H between the 2 coils, he would only see millivolts induced.

It must be about the magnet being inbetween the coils and of course the windings carrying the opposite currents not being physically close.
As i understand it Plengo has his top coil clockwise and his bottom coil counter-clockwise wound. The flux direction that each coil sees is the same (in theory)

One thing is for sure the bucking coils ARE capable of creating a magnetic field individually (as Naudin showed) (during the Lenz establishment for example)
My bifilar coil CANNOT create a magnetic field. That is the major difference that i see.

I will recheck my gen coils and see how  exactly  they are placed. I may say bucking but I could be wrong (i'm not trying to derail anyone here). It is very easy to get confused after hundreds of experimentations.

Have you tried different combinations? What I am doing is just following my instincts and the facts I observe. I think too man people are stuck with theories trying to explain how this works.

I have been thinking today about this a lot. I could not find a conventional explanation for any combination of coils, magnets, rotor magnets and so on to accept an acceleration of the rotor under so little RPM. I also can not clearly see why when placing a bias magnet in ATTRACTION to the rotor magnet would ever accelerate things.

We must get out of the box and start thinking what could possibly be that under those dynamics of this motor one would have acceleration by any means. Even Romero said that. Get the acceleration first (under short coils or whatever). That one is first. So I am focusing in getting the motor to run as fast as it can with a load and I am succeeding. 

It is not logical but it is happening. I have tried many coil configs, bucking, normal, bi-filar and so on but always I get stuck when thinking in conventional ways.

I truly believe the laws we know of today do describe the behaviors we know but they are not complete by any means. They are full of holes where one can explore. I think Romero's motor is one of those cases.

I can not understand why having bias magnets in attraction mode (to the rotor magnet) and only when using a load will accelerate the motor. Can you figure that? If you do I think we are on the right track.

Fausto.

[mariuscivic]

Hi plengo.

For now i'm playng with a smal rotor and i'm using diferent types of coils too.

I have the same efect of accelerating the rotor with the bias magnet in atraction and always with the load.In my setup the rotor speeds up but at the same time the gen coil is puting out less until reaches a point when is not accelerating more.At this point the V on my load are the same as before. The only differents is that the rpm is higher. What i belive is that the bias magnet in atraction  is cuting the magnetic field of the coil;doing that, lenz will not be so strong allowing the rotor to speed up. I may be wrong but this is how i see it . Tomorow i'll be winding an metal coil to see how it behaves. I'm doing that becouse i had a ferite coil and before i broke it i could see that the output of it was much hier than a plastic one. I really want to see if the mag field coused by lenz will remain stucked in the metal walls of the coil. And again i may be wrong,very wrong, but  if i don't try it i could never know for sure.

[Rawbush]

I just wanted to confirm that I am also seeing rotor speed up, with load when adding the bias magnets in attraction. When placed in repulsion the rotor speed drops. I didn't have scope hooked up so I don't know if volts/amps were also following the rotor speed but will watch next time.  Also the coils are in series -adding still need to try bucking.
Peace
rawbush

[plengo]

Hi plengo.

For now i'm playng with a smal rotor and i'm using diferent types of coils too.

I have the same efect of accelerating the rotor with the bias magnet in atraction and always with the load.In my setup the rotor speeds up but at the same time the gen coil is puting out less until reaches a point when is not accelerating more.At this point the V on my load are the same as before. The only differents is that the rpm is higher. What i belive is that the bias magnet in atraction  is cuting the magnetic field of the coil;doing that, lenz will not be so strong allowing the rotor to speed up. I may be wrong but this is how i see it . Tomorow i'll be winding an metal coil to see how it behaves. I'm doing that becouse i had a ferite coil and before i broke it i could see that the output of it was much hier than a plastic one. I really want to see if the mag field coused by lenz will remain stucked in the metal walls of the coil. And again i may be wrong,very wrong, but  if i don't try it i could never know for sure.

That is excellent mariuscivic. I am NOT using bias on the gen coils. Only on all other gen coils but they are not connected to the output. I do have the whole machine assembled so I am only playing, for now, with one pair or two of generating coils. See the difference?

You are playing with the ONLY pair (or not) of generating coils and you will not have a beneficial acceleration.

Those are one of the dynamics I am talking about. When you have the motor spinning really fast that is when you can start playing with bias magnets on the gen coils connected to the load.

I have noticed that when you have ALL other coils balanced and spinning fast, than you can start putting bias magnets on the gen coil connected to the load and still have an acceleration and have an increase in output voltage.

That's why I explained on a previous post that I see those gen coils and bias magnets as pressure valves. It will only work when all the others are playing their first role. Acceleration.

The second role is when you have the speed you can still have Lenz and make it beneficial to the break through net output. At least that's what I hope.

Think for a moment how Romero progressed, as a normal guy, through his experiments: First he noticed the acceleration under load. For that he must have thought about how to increase that. More coils under the same condition. But I guess he also noticed that more coils means more drag and resistance. So he must have isolated the acceleration issue into its components. One is output power versus speed. Second must be limits. How many coils under short and how much to loose in speed.

What is the relationship? Thinking in terms of Lenz being always valid (which I think it is) one must find dynamics that is normally not visible.  Acceleration will produce more power even when Lenz is winning, right? Is it possible to have the Lenz effect (CEMF) being directed to another coil (dynamics)?

The bias magnets must be working as a gate that open and close at very specific times that allows the attraction or repulsion of CEMF to be applied at the right moment. If before TDC will resist motion, if after TDC will resist motion again BUT if polarity of current is not in synch at any point in time, after TDC will will push or before TDC will pull. Lenz is still there but it must be redirected to another coil. This is thinking out of the box with the current parameters of today's science.

Fausto.