Muller Dynamo

[DadHav]

Thanks np. I can't figure out what a scope reading of one coil can tell you, except it looked exactly like what I've seen a hundred times, but a reading over the whole gang may give some answers. We need to see if there is any reaction in the parallel system other than one coil firing at a time. I'll bet there might be something unexpected. I hope someone posts on that pretty soon.

John

thanks for the background on the coil/mag design

i think you're right when it comes to individual coil positions

the situation may change with some kind of circular interaction around the whole assembly but we have little real data to go on yet

Romero gave us but one (ungraduated) trace of a single coil o/p (pre FWBR)

a few guys now have got as far as showing us hard data from single coil pairs - it's 'possible' that aspects of Romero's config may cause the coil o/p to deviate from a cleaner 'sine' profile

but we've still yet to see how the combined o/p looks and whether anything 'funky' happens when you fire up this kind of beast on all cylinders
(LOL - i know that going overunity IS funky - but i mean whether the TOTAL coil/mag behaviour can no longer be completely extrapolated from conventional behaviour)

i picture the o/p as a kind of 'poly-phase' generator type waveform, approaching DC in its average level - each gen coil 'firing' in turn as you say, and overlapping with the o/p from its adjacent coils

not sure if this goes any way to answering your question but i know we're all really glad to have someone with your solid experience of motor builds involved

thanks
np

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[toranarod]

the wire arrived today.
Has anybody else taken current measurements of the drive coils?
I would be very interested if you would share any insight.

[Hoppy]

Hi Hoppy, this is only the induction via one recovery diode,
NOT a Fullwave bridge rectifier, so only one amplitude wave is
rectified via these 1N4007 diodes from the driver coil pairs.

This does only apply, when the battery or DC2DC voltage is off
and the rotor runs down.

When the battery voltage is on there will only be BackEMF from these driver coils.

It would be also good to know, how high the voltage spikes will be then, that will be generated via
the BackEMF and will be fed back to the battery voltage line.

Stefan,

As we know, the voltage level is governed by the number of of coil turns but even if it were possible to generate 15V from each pair of generator coils, it would not be possible to pull over 2 Amps from these small coil sets in parallel and maintain that voltage as it appears in the video, with normal generation. The drive coil discharge spikes will be quite low level in power and add little to the output, so we are clearly looking for something out of the ordinary to account for the high power output. The concerning thing IMO is that we catch a glimpse of the supply battery voltage falling off considerably when the load is switched on. If the device was self running with the lamp load, this should no be the case. There are some great looking builds comming along, so hopefully someone will discover the secret if its down to coil configuration.

Hoppy

[lanenal]

the wire arrived today.
Has anybody else taken current measurements of the drive coils?
I would be very interested if you would share any insight.

toranarod, looking forward to your replication -- your extensive experience in building Adams motor might help a lot. If what I remembered is correct, Romero's original video had measurements of input current, which is about 1Apms (for the two driving coils as I understood it). The output current is about 2Amps. Input and output voltages are similar, about 12Volts.

[woopy]

Hi DadHav and Magluvin and all

If i follow you well,  the MOON EFFECT ( page 18 reply 265 from Freeenergyinfo ) of odd versus even provide a  very high  quantity of switching  (stroke) per revolution.

It seems that there is a kind of a second " passing " very fast per revolution ??  Probably an optic illusion but make me think of this, As DadHav suggested also .

As the coil sets are pulsing one after the other , but are connected in parallel, could it be that the pulse of each stroke could  "affect" other coil through the bridge rectifier (eventually double bridge rectifier ). So all the other coil "feel" the pulse of the others.
So each coil would be activated not only 8 time per revolution by the passing rotor magnet, but also by th 8 time of the 6 other coil, that is to say 48 + 8 = 56 time per revolution  yup i am totaly deliring here. Forgive me

so let's go on the delire,  as per this second "passing", for example if we consider 7 coils (2 are left for motorising ) with 8 rotor magnets it is 56 stroke per revolution, so at 1034 RPM  (as  Romero suggests in his last post) we get = 57904 stroke per minute or 965 herz frequency per coil.

Now go to this video of our Thane Heinz that Porteran posted on page 78 at reply 1162


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3gVfltiO-E

So you can see that the rotor has (probably 30 magnets facing one single set of coil.

And the "REGENERATIVE ACCELERATION " occures at about 1850 RPM

So 1850 * 30 =55500 stroke per minute or 925 herz.

HOHO !! what do you think ?.

I think i have to stop testing on one coil set and wait for my litze to work on the full beast, because even at 2000 rpm and more i can only reach about 266 herz, (verified on my scope ).
far too low frequency to get a chance of observing the effect of Thane, and i am testing in pure conventional generator
.
It seems that this secon "passing works only with all coil and rotor together :

Hi Lasersaber where are you in your testing?

Just an idea to try understanding the beast. Hope not be considered as a fool here

good luck at all

Laurent