Muller Dynamo

[xenomorphlabs]

I'm not sure that you need to make all the 8! combinations to get to a working version. My theory is that he only used the magnets on top of the coils to finetune the device. He had manually made coils. Which probably had different resistance/inductance...other details. So he used the magnets to simply strengthen the magnetic field in some coils to be able to adjust the balance = reduce the coging. You could do this finetuning pretty quickly, just rotate it a bit and see the lock position of your rotor, try to put a magnet on the oposite side (the rotor magnet should be between two stator coils) to increase the coging on that side = balance it overall.
But reducing coging might not get the device to OU, just a very efficient dynamo.
The washers show in magnetic field simulations that simply aid the magnetif field better.
The large gaps reduce the strength of the magnetic field, but he had a very aided field ( from 1 magnet to another through the ferite core and washer ) I guess this is what romerouk ment by finetune to the "lightbulb". But this just makes it convert less mechanical energy to electrical energy = run more before it slows down != OU.
We all know these effects and hardly expect the magic from these, so no need to insist on most of them. Maybe the roation speed ? The frequency of the magnetic field colapse buildup. Very sensible device parameters and parameter combinations ? Now those might be the key. If so, the chances to reproduce this might be really small.
Another strange thing on the waveform he posted is that he almost completly eliminated the pull-back force of the magnets. Like he did not use the magnets when they were leaving the coils at all. But on the circuit draw we have, he uses no special circuit to do this ? Coging happens on the magnet aproaching the coil and leaving the coil. How did he kill the "leave" part ?
Nice work lightsaber. how could you not measure the amps at the output of the coil ?

Maybe the 2nd hall is used for that. It creates the sharp pulse needed to overcome the "leave" part as you call it. Howard Johnson was talking about that, being the principle of how his magnet trains worked and also the Kawai engine (if i remember correctly).

[Tudi]

Maybe the 2nd hall is used for that. It creates the sharp pulse needed to overcome the "leave" part as you call it. Howard Johnson was talking about that, being the principle of how his magnet trains worked.

I donno what to say about that effect. As a dynamo it is not a good effect. It reduces the overall conversion of mechanical to electric energy conversion. Instead full sign wave, small spikes are produced. As a signal generator these spikes might be great for something though.
The actual electric energy is the integral of the wave function. Best is to have square blocks if you really want conversion.

[woopy]

yes Lasersaber

well done

If i can give an advice , do not try only one set of coil test with the top magnet as Khabe suggested, because you will retrieve the cogging effect, which will probably  bias the result. Now i am strongly thinking that the beast can't be separated in pieces, it must work as a unity to be stronger than the unity

In your video, due to the noise, i am not sure but , i think that you utilise wire litze is it OK ?

Another time bravo for your replication it is very encouraging.

@ Tudi thanks for the link to Prof Turtur very intreresting for the future improvement if we manage our basic replication. And for the RMS instrument i don't know the lost in low Voltmeter because at the moment i do not use this fonction, i only read the line on my scope and make estimations, to approximate if we are totally out of the "plate " as in bon français or if there is something to examine.

@ e2matrix

Thanks for the comment it was simply an idea.

I rewatched the video  of Thane and could see that hes rotor is probably fitted with 30 magnet but divised in 2 rotor plates so it only 15 magnet per rotor

so at 1840 rpm  = 1840 * 15 =27600   that is about 460 herz    which can explain why Romero could go so deep in the rpm at 4.5 volt in hes second video.

just a think

@ Khabe

can you please stay on the thread, i know that Romero spoke of modifying  R/C motor  but i think that he was trying to make a diversion when he saw the pressure comming.
I think it could be very interesting to investigate those R/C modifications but on a dedicated thread.  Because this thread is already very immense and if we divert too much we will be lost in a pletore of undedicated post .  That' my proposal.

good luck at all

Laurent

[xenomorphlabs]

To throw some literature explanations in :

Ideally, in the regauging jump region itself, the fields remain unchanged and therefore unused. However, the fields between the regauging region itself and outside regions will change. Adroit timing of these latter fields may be freely utilized to assist the stator rotation since fields experience no Newtonian third law reaction force. Regauging thus can provide work-free stored EM energy "refueling" of an electrical or magnetic system â€" a Maxwell's Demon of special kind. The gauge freedom axiom of quantum field theory already assumes that a system’s potential energy can be freely changed at will.

In the real world, magnetic domains and moving electrical charges occupy finite volumes rather than the "point unit magnetic north pole" and "point positive coulomb of charge" assumed by conventional EM field theory. Particularly in a magnetic system, a highly nonlinear single-valued potential with radical magnitude changes in a stator region smaller than the finite domains of the rotor can be utilized as a "pseudo MVP," since a rotor domain will experience this rapid alteration of the magnetostatic scalar potential in a single domain as a nearly instantaneous "jump". Even over many domains, a sharply changed single-valued potential with a finite rise time can be used if the resulting field is radially oriented so that no tangential drag results on the rotor. The jump time dt can be made sufficiently small so that the overall ò F(t)dt "back impulse" becomes negligible or vanishes. The jumped potential can be appreciably higher than that of the next forward tangential stator region. In that case a strong tangential force results which accelerates the rotor and adds energy to it. Consequently, immediately after the jump the rotor can experience a substantial net overall boost out of the pseudo MVP jump region, as formally proven by Johnson's magnetic gates in actual laboratory force-time measurements every 0.01 sec.

Explanations of the magnetic Wankel and Kawai engines are presented from the viewpoint of the potentials and regauging. The explanations and the overunity mechanism are straightforward once the pseudo-MVP jump mechanism is understood.

Source : http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/jap/masterprinciple.htm

[ramset]

@All
I took the liberty of Calling Carmen {Mr.Muller's daughter}.
Spoke with her for quite some time,She is a true Humanitarian
involved in some very amazing Work,And Carrys forward her Fathers Legacy with great pride!
As this thread is a little Hard to Keep up with and a bit Fiesty sometimes.I sent her the link to Fausto's [plengo]moderated thread.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10716.msg287177#new

She is a kindred Spirit,and strives to make this world a better place!

Chet