Muller Dynamo

[konehead]

Hi ron

you wrote;
"Truth is not a diversion. We had this out last year when Doug announced his "easy 100 watts OU"  I pointed out the 'measurement error' which you failed to see or acknowledge. All he had to do was add the rest of the coils... well? nearly a year later and I haven't seen any sign of it?"

I did have that, when rest of coils are added up, and I did make something big and powerful way OU for secret person last summer using what I described then with the "meausrment errors: for shorting coils and seris AC caps but now in solid state.
but I didnt make it public and you wont see any sign of it sorry about that.
your measuremnt errors last summer were your measurment errors "where ammeter goes" i remember was the problem...Ronalds cap discharge formula got everythign straightened out and there is no reason to argue about it anymnore so cheer up and make it loop.

[konehead]

Ben wrote;
"I'm still testing but in my very sensitive machine, I do not find any Lenz reduction using a cap. in series with the coils and the
bridge, feeding a 68000uf cap with a 100 ohm load (50mA @ 5VDC) on the 68000 cap.  Anywhere between 2.5uf and 100uf series Capacatance, increments of 2.5uf, I find only a reduction in output along with and including an increase in Lenz/loading (lower RPM) on the rotor.  I could be wrong, but a load is a load is a load.  I will continue testing tomorrow but that is my initial findings." 
kone replies;
you need that AC series cap to be a "high bypass filter" and not somethign that works only as a current limiter and kills everything...you want the good stuff of high frequencies to pass through, and THAT charges up the cap, and the lugging current "left behind" (lagging 90 degerees is I guess the goal according to Bolt and reosnant threory stuff).

That video by Fausto seems to confirm "it works" dont forget.

What bolt has been describing seems to be a phase-shift where only time you see current is at the end of the whole thing, when cap hits load. (?)

Maybe idea for you is try a circuit where your cap fills up from genrator coils like you have now in series, and rotor speeds up like you already get (which means more power is created from more rpms since it is rotating so now going "away" form lenz law)
and then when cap hits your load - dont have it there "all the time" then you have cap disconnected from the coils druing the cap-dicharge event.

("two stage output circuit")...so the cap-discharge to load will NEVER affect the draw since its disconnected very simple.

Then, only reason for the AC series cap is when the resistance of the cpaaitor itself is very heavy, and you would use it only to prevent lugging as cap fills an dnow you might ti to work like high bypass filter instead of lugging-component as it is now.

Anyways that is very large cap, and a very light load of 100ohm resistor...mabye try much smaller cap and heavier resistor...probably with reistance that light, the Ac series cap is just another load fro rotor to haul around and its not working as a high bypass filter like it should.

Maybe high bypass filter is not right description in this scenario, since I wouldnt call it that in what Fausto did....(I dont know anything for surereally)....
Maybe has somethign to do with the rpms and frequency too, and its not helping jsut hindering ...not sure...

when coil-shorting like I like to do with mullergenrators, the AC cap in series definetly stops the lugging, and defintley makes cap charge slower in consequence, so there is a balance you want to find wtih uf value where it actually does some good and you get some gain.

but in my nerwe stuff, I;n not using them as when you nail the coil-short ther is not lug as caps fill to worry about and when caps hit laod and they are disconnected from coils thenther is no lug to worry about then to so nothign to worry about really...


aso that quick test I did a few days ago definetly the series AC cap took awya all lenz lugging - no extra draw - when the coils were "shorted across" with an ammeter, so there is another confirmation (sort of but no volts when being shorted) but that is why resistive load to get balnce between votls and amps...anyways this is all criss-crossing methods and paths everything is related probably month from nwo ther areo ging to be half dozen loopers all working on different primnciples

Maybe you should jsut skip the whole series cap thing, (you probalby will if it keeps lugging rotor anyways) it might bog you down and you were speeding along ...you seem on right track as is with those series caps making it run faster when coils make power..

[hyiq]

Hi All,

I can see a lot of bickering and not a lot of progress happening on this thread.

If I may point out another thing with coils. It is possible to have, two Coils, B-Field's separated entirely, so they have no interaction with each other.

Please see my work on the Flux Gate Magnetometer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kB6GQK9BE and a short NASA video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjEcmMT-GSs

Please note the NASA video is incorrect but it does show the concept very well.

This may help you with your motors and the separation from Lenz's Law and the output.

Its hard to stay on track when there is bickering on the thread. Stay focused all or RomeroUK may leave us behind.

All the best

  Chris

[Tudi]

i'm sure most people already know this, but just to remind you about the formula :
C = 900 / [L * (Pi * Poles * RPM)^2]

Can you see the importance of RPM stability ? It has a major impact ( squared value ). Most people get all happy when they add the load and RPM increases. Or when they loop back the gain and RPM increases again.

I think you should be carefull that after you apply your load, or add a new coil to make sure that the RPM will stay the same as you used to get the value of C. For example decrease the input power for the driver coils accordingly to your load at every step when you add a new generator coil

[Hoppy]

i'm sure most people already know this, but just to remind you about the formula :
C = 900 / [L * (Pi * Poles * RPM)^2]

Can you see the importance of RPM stability ? It has a major impact ( squared value ). Most people get all happy when they add the load and RPM increases. Or when they loop back the gain and RPM increases again.

I think you should be carefull that after you apply your load, or add a new coil to make sure that the RPM will stay the same as you used to get the value of C. For example decrease the input power for the driver coils accordingly to your load at every step when you add a new generator coil

A change in rotor speed indicates a change somewhere else. These devices seek a balance where there are many interracting variables.

@Ben
Your genny derived PSU is a source but not a legit gain because its power is derived from a the supply that produced it. There can be no overall gain, just a complex re-balancing of power levels in the various parts of the circuit that all add up to what the main PSU is supplying.

Hoppy

PS. I concede that there may be a very small gain derived from released energy from the spinning rotor magnets, over and above that energy used to spin them up.