Muller Dynamo

[k4zep]

Did you short the DC side first? tune into a short circuit. Are you sure your coils are out of phase? this cannot work with in phase coils. Voltage over series cap into a short dc path and tuned is going to be perhaps well over 50 volts. If you get non of this something is badly messed up.

Good morning Bolt,

First, thank you for you input, EVERYTHING, EVERY IDEA is welcome in my lab.  First some clarification and to answer your question.
No I did not tune into a short circuit.  That caused excessive Lenz loading on the wheel at any combination of Cxs.  But will try again later after your clarification.  I could not get any value to cause the Lenz loading on the wheel to lessen at any loading combination.  So went with the fixed load of 10mA/Volt as my unit is very small.

I started @ zero voltage on 68000 output cap (held there by 100 ohm resistor load),  The two coils have to be in phase or there is no voltage @ hence no output.  You would have two AC voltages bucking each other, high current in coil loop but no voltage out.  Are your suggesting that they be wired bucking with the Tuning cap in series with them and then take the resultant voltage off one coil or across the cap where there is a phase shift?  A schematic would be helpful here. What I have is two coils in phase, in parallel, in series with tuning cap, feeding through a bridge into a 68000 cap. with a 100 ohm load. EXACTLY what is your recommended circuit?  I assumed a total series circuit, are you purposing a combination parallel/series circuit or different?  Then we do have the problem in that this is not a sine wave circuit but a lopsided mess in a nominal repetitive waveform.

IF you have a different circuit, will be able to test later today but first have to do some work on boat before it gets too hot....
Going to do that as soon as I finish coffee.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

[k4zep]

A change in rotor speed indicates a change somewhere else. These devices seek a balance where there are many interracting variables.

@Ben
Your genny derived PSU is a source but not a legit gain because its power is derived from a the supply that produced it. There can be no overall gain, just a complex re-balancing of power levels in the various parts of the circuit that all add up to what the main PSU is supplying.

Hoppy

PS. I concede that there may be a very small gain derived from released energy from the spinning rotor magnets, over and above that energy used to spin them up.

Good Morning Hoppy,

A very good observation.  I have been trying to figure out a way to verify this as you observations about the complex loading going on
in the overall unit is a pain in the butt.  As I continue testing, I will try to verify this observation.  The interactions are complex
and in the end it is entirely possible that you are correct.  The lenz effect rule based on the basic mechanics of current flow and field interaction is a hard nut to crack! IF we can mechanically or electronically effect a lessening of the interactions between current and field (Lenz) perhaps it can be done. Time and tedious testing will tell!

The basic question is and I hope to verify: 

IS the total looped system POWER increased by this series connection or decreased, this is the "Kernel" of the question.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

[k4zep]

Ben wrote;
"I'm still testing but in my very sensitive machine, I do not find any Lenz reduction using a cap. in series with the coils and the
bridge, feeding a 68000uf cap with a 100 ohm load (50mA @ 5VDC) on the 68000 cap.  Anywhere between 2.5uf and 100uf series Capacatance, increments of 2.5uf, I find only a reduction in output along with and including an increase in Lenz/loading (lower RPM) on the rotor.  I could be wrong, but a load is a load is a load.  I will continue testing tomorrow but that is my initial findings." 
kone replies;
you need that AC series cap to be a "high bypass filter" and not somethign that works only as a current limiter and kills everything...you want the good stuff of high frequencies to pass through, and THAT charges up the cap, and the lugging current "left behind" (lagging 90 degerees is I guess the goal according to Bolt and reosnant threory stuff).

That video by Fausto seems to confirm "it works" dont forget.

What bolt has been describing seems to be a phase-shift where only time you see current is at the end of the whole thing, when cap hits load. (?)

Maybe idea for you is try a circuit where your cap fills up from genrator coils like you have now in series, and rotor speeds up like you already get (which means more power is created from more rpms since it is rotating so now going "away" form lenz law)
and then when cap hits your load - dont have it there "all the time" then you have cap disconnected from the coils druing the cap-dicharge event.

("two stage output circuit")...so the cap-discharge to load will NEVER affect the draw since its disconnected very simple.

Then, only reason for the AC series cap is when the resistance of the cpaaitor itself is very heavy, and you would use it only to prevent lugging as cap fills an dnow you might ti to work like high bypass filter instead of lugging-component as it is now.

Anyways that is very large cap, and a very light load of 100ohm resistor...mabye try much smaller cap and heavier resistor...probably with reistance that light, the Ac series cap is just another load fro rotor to haul around and its not working as a high bypass filter like it should.

Maybe high bypass filter is not right description in this scenario, since I wouldnt call it that in what Fausto did....(I dont know anything for surereally)....
Maybe has somethign to do with the rpms and frequency too, and its not helping jsut hindering ...not sure...

when coil-shorting like I like to do with mullergenrators, the AC cap in series definetly stops the lugging, and defintley makes cap charge slower in consequence, so there is a balance you want to find wtih uf value where it actually does some good and you get some gain.

but in my nerwe stuff, I;n not using them as when you nail the coil-short ther is not lug as caps fill to worry about and when caps hit laod and they are disconnected from coils thenther is no lug to worry about then to so nothign to worry about really...


aso that quick test I did a few days ago definetly the series AC cap took awya all lenz lugging - no extra draw - when the coils were "shorted across" with an ammeter, so there is another confirmation (sort of but no volts when being shorted) but that is why resistive load to get balnce between votls and amps...anyways this is all criss-crossing methods and paths everything is related probably month from nwo ther areo ging to be half dozen loopers all working on different primnciples

Maybe you should jsut skip the whole series cap thing, (you probalby will if it keeps lugging rotor anyways) it might bog you down and you were speeding along ...you seem on right track as is with those series caps making it run faster when coils make power..

Good Morning Kone,

Good to have you here on this forum!  As you have found over the years, there are many ways to do this.  There are so many variables here it is astounding.  I have followed your quest over the years and appriciate all the work and ideas you have contributed.  Keep it up,
Each test we do, each wiring application, everything adds to our knowledge.  You keep at it too!  The most unique thing about the whole RomeroUK device is IF it self runs, it ruins all our preconceived ideas, all the theorist that say "It will never fly", etc.  The proof is in the pudding.  Measurement error is amok here and everywhere.  Looping is self evident.  That is why RomeroUK's device started the firestorm!
You have a lot of good ideas in the above post I must consider.  Thanks for sharing them!

Keep at it my friend, keep at it!!!  Keep posting your results and ideas!!!!  I follow you on your Yahoo thread too! 

Repsectfully
Ben K4ZEP

[wattsup]

@ALL

I finally figured out the solution to the Romero puzzle.

Also posted here:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=862.msg14898#msg14898

The circuit that drives the drive coils is doing what? Pulsing power on for a given time regulated by the hall sensor to energize a drive coil pair? What if it does not do that. What if the power is always on the coil and the sensor pulse turns it off. Better still what if one Drive coil pair is always off while the other is always on. Man oh man. That's it!!!!!!!!!

D22 Top magnet is attracted by the coil that is always on gets to the sensor to turn off the field while it exits. Sling Shot.
D11 Bottom Drive coil is always off so when the magnet gets on the sensor the drive is energized pulling the magnet in and as it gets in, the sensor is out so the magnet can exit.

D22 Always on. Sensor shuts it off. It only has to shut it for a short period to free itself from the attraction.
D11 Always off. Sensor turns it on. It has a longer reach to enter under the drive with force then release itself from the sensor.

This fits both the back and forth phenomena before the wheel is nudged manually and the clockwise rotation.
The circuitry change required goes above my acumen.

Always on and always off (AOAO), if at 50% duty, will make no difference energy-wise. But motive-wise, it could make all the difference.

Stop everything. This is it. Guys with wheels that do not make this change will be wasting their time trying to compensate in so many other wrong ways.

wattsup

Someone has too look again at the circuit to make the modification, and it ain't gonna be me. Have fun.

If Tesla was here, he would probably say,

3 drives
6 magnets
9 coils

or would it be 3 drives.........but that will be for another day. lol

[Arthurs]

Hi Kone bolt and all:
I am currently experimenting in accordance with the following circuit, Coil resistance of 2 ohms each Generation,
C1 and R1 resonance, all of which I value in accordance with circuit diagram to adjust.
C2 and C3 phase, I still value in accordance with circuit diagram to adjust.

No load rotor speed is 1200rpm
When the C2 and C3 4.7uF, the speed is almost no decline
Load of 100 ohms, the output voltage: 7V, output current: 70mA.

When the C2 and C3 to 50uF, the speed down to 940rpm,
Load of 100 ohms, the output voltage: 10V, output current: 105mA. (C3 sometimes when not used)

Adjustments in any state regardless of C1 and R1, the rotor speed and output are not changed.

Overall: There is no miracle!

How can I do?

Thank you!