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Muller Dynamo

Started by Schpankme, December 31, 2007, 10:48:41 PM

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altair

#3375
June 22, 2011, 09:27:53 PM
Quote from: Rawbush on June 22, 2011, 06:26:48 PM
I tried but it made the magnetite push out like little fingers. Would need to make a jig and used pre measured amounts to get good repeatability.

Question on the series tuning caps: Are these special caps? I have a bunch of electrolytic caps and some small ceramic ones, but putting them in the circuit shows no change on the scope...
Peace
rawbush

The series cap is not a "special" cap, but it needs to be non-polarized.
So that's why Romero & others use a motor capacitor, that is made to be used on 100-220VAC, not DC.
In the standard non-polarized capacitors for electronics, you will not find much choice in values above 10uF.
However, capacitors for speaker crossovers are widely available, but sometimes pricey.
You can check Madisound and Parts Express.

Altair

e2matrix

#3376
June 22, 2011, 09:38:18 PM
Quote from: Dbowling on June 22, 2011, 08:33:50 PM
Just a couple quick thoughts.

My wife specializes in intellectual property law and deals with patents every day. Unless RomeroUK was under an NDA, he did nothing wrong. In fact, he could take someone's entire patent and reveal everything about it to all of us and not be in any trouble, at least in the US courts. Patents are there to prevent someone from MAKING MONEY from the work of another. If you come to my house and steal my physical patent document, that's theft, but if you take my idea and build it, there is not a thing I can do about it until you try to make money from it, and THEN, if I have a patent, I can sue you. So he need not worry from a LEGAL perspective unless he violated a written agreement that he had signed. Or so I understand. Somebody have a DIFFERENT understanding? I don't want to give bad advice!!

In the Lindemann/Lockridge thread we have been working on the best way to build a motor to eliminate the effect of Lenz. Pulse the motor for as brief a time as possible to keep it running at the desired speed with HIGH voltage from a charged cap. Then collect the coil collapse PLUS energy produced "in the absence of applied voltage" by the movement of the magnet past the coil in a SECOND cap bank. With the off the shelf motors we're working with in that thread, I imagine we're looking for a supply pulse of 300+ volts. I have read through this thread from front to back, and don't think I've seen where anyone has tried that. Just a thought. I've been doing that with my off the shelf motor with good results. Just trying to work out the best way to charge a cap bank and dump it to the supply cap, and that is the same circuit I was thinking about for THIS replication. By using that high voltage for as brief a time as possible, a little magic happens, if you can get the timing right.

Warning: don't read this message if you want direct info on tuning or building the Romero/Muller device. 
DBowling,  thanks for the thoughts on both things.  I've wondered for some time and this would be a question for RomeroUK just how well he looked into the people who paid him a visit and the bosses of those who visited and their bosses if you know what I mean.  I can certainly see some enterprising but not-so-ethical individual who heard about his 'looped OU device' and went about putting together a plan to get such a prize away from him.  I know he is a smart computer tech and researcher but when facing a couple very business savvy and/or strong arm types most people's first reaction is going to be to just go along with whatever they say as gospel truth and do a lot of 'yes sirs' and sorry's and here's my device so I won't get in tons of trouble.  Please take it away.    So I don't know if that's how it went down but you could say it is my fear that is how it could have happened.  Only Romero knows and only if he has since done his research on whoever took his device and had him make some agreement.  In a way I hope that is what happened because if it is and he digs in deep enough behind what went down he might find he is under no restrictions at all and could possibly even have those who approached him arrested for fraud, theft, threats or any number of things and he could then go back to helping us all get this device running sooner.
   But in the end I do wish for him to not have any more stress over this if that would enter the picture.  OK I know this is not directly related to how to get the motor tuned etc.  But if it plants an idea with Romero that results in freeing him to talk again then it will certainly speed up our progress.  I really can not think of any good legal reason why someone could shut him up or take his device or threaten him considering he was not going into production to sell anything, was not going for a patent and was only doing public research.  From what I know if anything it sounds like some person or company felt their ability to patent something might be threatened by his open source research.  Too bad for them if that's the case.  They have no right to threaten him. 

   Regarding the Lockridge device I can't say whether that idea could apply here or not.  Others here may be able to chime in about that but there's a fair number of people here from EF so it may already be known.  I don't know that we have the high voltage to work with here.  I haven't checked lately but has anyone gotten the Lockridge device to work as Peter originally described it working? 

Bruce_TPU

#3377
June 22, 2011, 10:19:09 PM
Hi all,

Still on vacation and I am writing from my phone. 

I believe romero fed back the dc output to ALL of the gen coils to produce a static bias on the coils.  I believe you want repulsion.  Only one mag sees one coil pair at a time.  Also explains high input current from romero.  Repulse.  Send one direction on bottom coil and opposite on top coils.  Coils a and b must repulse.

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

plengo

#3378
June 22, 2011, 10:49:52 PM
Note to all.

I will now only change the content of the posts that are irrelevant to THIS thread. Notice that the font will be much smaller which is a visible indication of out of topic post so you can avoid reading it and move on.

If i made a mistake changing someone's post that should be considered relevant (I am only human), please let me know so that I can put it to its original format.

Off course, rude, spams and really offensive posts WILL BE DELETE.

Thanks to all for participating on this important topic and being respectful to each other,

Fausto.

e2matrix

#3379
June 22, 2011, 10:59:58 PM
Quote from: plengo on June 22, 2011, 10:49:52 PM
Note to all.

I will now only change the content of the posts that are irrelevant to THIS thread. Notice that the font will be much smaller which is a visible indication of out of topic post so you can avoid reading it and move on.

If i made a mistake changing someone's post that should be considered relevant (I am only human), please let me know so that I can put it to its original format.

Off course, rude, spams and really offensive posts WILL BE DELETE.

Thanks to all for participating on this important topic and being respectful to each other,

Fausto.

What do you think about starting a message like I did above with the statement: "Warning: don't read this message if you want direct info on tuning or building the Romero/Muller device. "

Just taking a second to do that may help in a lot of cases too. 
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