Muller Dynamo

[chrisC]

Hi,
about a week ago I called Romero for the second time and asked him to point me to a direction where I can get close to OU or even OU and no connection to Muller as I understand we will never get more from him.He was kind enough to give me some indications that I folowed and I can tell you all my results.
What he said is to have a small rotor with magnets, any orientation, NN, SS or NS but to make sure I have at least 2.5 times the magnet diameter more space for the gap in between the each magnet, and 2 air core coils. He said this way I have nothing to slow down the rotor and is like i don't even have the coils there.
To drive the coil he pointed to a circuit that was posted by someone some pages back, circuit that was used initially to drive a pendulum.He said to keep the circuit as is and just change the transistors with BD139 and BD140 then if I have a scope look at the driving coil and drive it with no more than 6-7 volts.This circuit when in Off position recovers some of the BEMF even without a diode for that, that is strange to me.
I built the rotor, 8 magnets in NS orientation and the circuit and tested, it is only using 16ma to drive the rotor with 6 volts input. at about 900RPM.
Now the second part is how to get some power out without affecting the input or the rpm.
I made a bifillar coil 400 turns, I think is 0.3mm and connected like tesla suggested, the end of the first going to the begining of the second,this is what Romero suggested.
He also suggested something that I never heard, make a FWBR from superbright 4 LED's.I did that and connected to the coil and have a capacitor from one of the coil wires to the bridge.He said that I will need to try different capacitors because it depends on the coil.In my case I use 2 times 0.22uf/250v, in parallel.At the output of the bridge he suggested to connect a 1k potentiometer and start having it at the middle.
Now the fun started, I have the rotor in action and the LED's from the bridge are lit in sequence when I have slow speed, after that at higher speed all LED's are ON.
The first thing is that the input oscilates slightly from 16ma to 15ma but without the bridge it stays at 16ma.Adjusting the potentiometer I get slightly more speed and brightness and input goes to 14ma.
From here Romero said that I can add more LED's in parallel or make a chain of LED's then from 4 identical chains build the FWBR.I don't have enough LED's to make that experiment now but I wil get some.For me even getting cheap LED's is not easy, my income is a small pension that I need to look after.
In the final Romero said that making a FWBR and for each segment I add a resistor or a coil will open a path to even more discoveries. I am not sure he was talking about using normal diodes or LED's in this configuration.
I am posting this here and maybe someone can do the same build and confirm all  other suggestions

David

@David70
Thanks for the posted info. When R. said 2 'air-core' coils do you know whether these are driving or pickup coils? In the original R. spec. I didn't see any reference of air core coils. Anyone using a couple of air cores coils in their replication?

cheers
chrisC

[e2matrix]

I've also noticed most replications I've seen so far people are using power supplies rather than a battery.  I'm sure from all Bedin's info that there are things you can do with a battery as power that you can't do with a power supply running off a wall outlet.  In this case it may just be as simple as using that extra diode to feed back some magic into the battery power supply.

[tanakat]

Another video, not sure if it has been posted (delete if that's the case)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMyTUudsg2M

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Another experiment with Romerouk/Muller device. One coil in bucking configuration and parallel capacitor. Shorting DC side of FWBR has no effect on rpm. I used 22 LED lamp which is designed to work on 4.5V and draws 50mA in this setup. I've been trying several AC caps as well as re adjusting rotor - coil distance which is very important. Also, moving Bloch Wall within the coils. This is not as simple as it appeared to me at first. Very sensitive and tons of patience required. My hat off to Romerouk and everyone working on ths device.

[bolt]

I've also noticed most replications I've seen so far people are using power supplies rather than a battery.  I'm sure from all Bedin's info that there are things you can do with a battery as power that you can't do with a power supply running off a wall outlet.  In this case it may just be as simple as using that extra diode to feed back some magic into the battery power supply.

VERY important point! I was going to mention this a couple of days ago and you just reminded me. In many cases of ZPE collection the  zero volt rail goes BELOW earth. So when you use a mains power supply everything referenced from ground as 0v and everything else above as a positive voltage.  In this case the power supply prevent the negative rail becoming more negative than Zero.  There are several ZPE experiments which absolutely  will never work from a mains power supply and only from a battery. In one of my head JLN Labs demonstration HV neon triggers using a diode plug and radiant energy.  So don't always assume 0v = ground in many ZPE cases 12v is ground reference level  and 0v it actually MINUS 12v referenced to ground. So a charge from a capacitor will go from MINUS back to Zero when it discharged:)

If this is applicable to his muller and you use a mains power supply you just killed any chance of going OU by grounding out the ZPE

[chrisC]

Hello All,

I am working on building up a quick pulse motor test stand to characterize the speedup effect that people here are witnessing. I just wanted to ask a few questions from the builders who have successfully seen the speedup under load.

1. What size magnet wire are you using?
2. Roughly how many turns?
3. What are the dimensions of your coils?
4. What is the coil's resistance and inductance?
5. What core material used? (Ferrite, iron, air etc).

It would be nice to see if there is a good general pattern developing for those who have had success with this. Also, I am preparing to wind some coils of my own on ferrite rods and would like to see what specs the other successful replications have.

I have access to a magnetic current probe and would like to observe what happens when the motor is shorted and unshorted. Also, since many people here are seeing that the motor runs best under shorted conditions, this is an ideal time to try the coil shorting technique to extract the power from the coil at high voltage while still maintaining the short circuit condition that the system likes.

- Jason O

Hi Jason:
Here is a list for my spec:

Magnets 19mm (N42) from magnets4less.com
Coil wire: litz (7 strand from surplussomething in Nebraska)
Coil winds: 500 turns
Coil resistance: 5-6 ohms
Coil inductance: 6.8mH
Coil size (bobbin): (~1"x1" ferrite length is 1.15")
Core: ferrite of some sort
Distance between rotor & top & bottom magnets: ~5mm
Standby (no load): DC 12V, 450mA 1430 RPM with 2 driver coils active

Hope that helps.

cheers
chrisC