Muller Dynamo

[penno64]

Hi Ben,

No ready to jump just yet.

I have gone back to basics and am testing as I type.

Will report either way.

Penno

[baroutologos]

penno said

Hey Barout,
Any tips on getting that waveform ?
Is that at the AC side of bridge?

Penno

Hey Penno, glad to hear that kind of question. I have wondered myself this question also. Anyone with a scope and experience with rotor - stator coil setup in SNSNS config, and the "usual" spacing, will get more or less a fine sine wave. (my previous muller setup did that.. see utube vid)

The peculiarity with this all same magnet faces on each rotor side is that (and per Romero spacing specs) is that we get that waveform that also Romero posted way back. I have run tests and concluded that this waveform result as following..

Incoming magnet will create a more or less gradual voltage increase and when it passes coil the polarity flip of coil becomes sudden (almost 2-3 times faster than "gradual increase) and then again voltage fades till next cycle. In the NSNSNS config this does not happen... at least i have not seen it in my setups.

By applying the opposite polarity to rotor "biasing" magnets at the end of coils and regulating their distance from them (i have experimented both with ferrite and neos with washers) the somewhat "edjy" waveform becomes smooth, voltage peak increases a bit and gets fatter in terms of time duration, not to say the polarity flip can happen more sudden (a bit) and the voltage gradual increase to become even slower.

That's my experience so far. We really need Romero to assemble (or anyone) a working setup and have a look on the waveforms while operating before and after applying load.

Salutes

ps: of course it is at AC FWBR legs or the raw signal the coil creates (this scope shot is at 2msec and 10volt/div)

[maw2432]

@all

Why is the rpm constant with and without load? - The trick is simple: Romero use his rig  all time with load! He gave us info:
1. In suspended mode he use shunt, but no more info
2. He mentioned Zener.
3. He didn't want to answer why need the extra cable (black and red x) (Yes, this is a trick, but different as Wattsup think)

I think there is a big 15v Zener diode hidden by stator. This way all time will be 15v in the big capacitor. Certainly this is load, but it is good for stabilize the working conditions, and it is simpler to tune the gaps, RPMs, and so on.
When you connect the load (bulb), it will get amperage from the Zener, but because of the characteristic of the Zener the voltage will remain 15v. (Certainly this is true with the planned load, any more watt will slow the system, as Romero mentioned).
So this is why so big the consumption of the driver coils "without" load.

Best Regards
Collapsingfield

Interesting idea... can someone test this?

Bill

[poynt99]

Maybe we should jump ship ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfg4ZLFWSG8&feature=feedlik

Penno

Looks like he got the Perrendev concept to work.

Nice to see. 

.99

[bolt]

Bolt,

Thanks for for sharing your knowledge. If we use a battery to power the circuit, where do we connect our true earth ground rod to Romero's circuit, in order to measure the cap going from minus back to zero when discharged, or does this not apply to Romero's circuit?

You appear to be the most knowledgeable chap on this thread on how we should build and test a Romero replication that runs OU, so could you sketch out a full circuit that you think should work, including your preferred driver circuit, coil connections and wind directions, and magnet arrangement / orientation? This should help to focus everyone's minds to get closer to achieving an OU replication.

Hoppy

Just use a battery in case there are any strange floating charges in the muller system in fact any ZPE device you should only batteries or caps and Don Smith also mentioned this many years ago. I can not give a building circuit for RUK muller has it needs to be built first.

Example lets say your battery is 0v and +12.5 volts but returning from the generator coils is 0v and MINUS 4v going to a dump cap will see not 12.5v not 4v from the coils but  16.5v! So a very small voltage from the coils pushed the 0v rail to below negative and it could only do this in a floating system  not earthed to a grid power supply.

All the theory i know and probably everyone else has is already out in the open. if you check back to Romero's very first posts here and before in the other forum he worked just as hard as anyone else to get the coils tuned into a load.