Muller Dynamo

[altair]

I just happened to find a thread on EF with a post by armagdn03, that might explain the effect some had with shorting a coil.
Basically, it is related to parametric change of an inductor, to produce extra energy.
It is post #18 here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7252-cross-field-capacitor.html

Might give you ideas... 

[e2matrix]

One thing I cant understand is how Romero just seems to plop all the power rectified from the generator coils straight into that DC RUN cap, and it took off to high speed and rpms skyrocketed, then he went with the DC to DC convertor and it controlled the runaway and it self ran.
ALWAYS when I put power form generator coils into cap, then try to run it back into the motor coils "directly", it lugs motor UNLESS you make circuit where caps filled up by generator coils is DISCONNECTED FRON GENERATOR COILS WHENEVER THE CAPS HIT THE LOAD....(load being the motor coil switching and the motor coils)
Romero was saying there is "one more componnent"
How about a three-lead reed switch ! (or solid state equivalent) , this is common simple way to disconnect cap from "source" whenever cap hits load.

also this throws out the window, all the testing right now being done with the coils going directly into a load or continuous-shorted-condition, hoping to make a good speed up under load,
since in the "two stage" output circuit (cap disconnected form source when cap hits load) , all that the coils will EVER do is fill up a cap to the voltage you need to run the motor coils....
the genrator coils never see the resistive load, they only see the capacitor...
and the capacitor NEVER is connected to the coils and the load at same time.

Anyways I know with "coil-shorting" circuits, (shorting coils for just a blip at sinewave peaks) you MUST have this two-stage output circuit,
and also with backemf recoil recovery, you MUST disconnect the recovery-cap from the coils when it hits a load or else eveythign jsut backs up and whatever you take out makes more draw at input side...

But if cap is disconnected from coils you get a good GAIN and no "lenz lug" except for the filling of the capacitor in first place.
So first thing is  find minimum size cap that "keeps" your motor running.

Say for example, this "RUN" cap is being pulsed once per revolution from the battery or power supply - that is first step to do.....
then now you know this is the size cap you need to keep motor looped,....with me its a 2000uf DC cap (pulsed once a revolution of motor from 12V battery and I have 8 pulses per revolution of motor too) ,

probably to do a looper you will want to fill first another "collector" cap that gets up to around twice the voltage of the RUN cap itslef and dump it into the run cap (AKA cap "bucket brigade" method- dumping one cap into another)...

some people say this is "power loss" dumping one cap to another but compared to lenz-loss its not anything to worry about eh!...also its not really power loss its voltage-transfer with some loss being only the resistance of the caps is the only loss.....it cant be a power loss until the "end" since there is no resistance applied until the final RUN cap dumps into the motor coils and the motor coil swtiching.
what it is is that you want to isolate the power made from the gernator coils from the gernator coils themselves when they run the motor so there  is no "reflection" or step up in input draw.

And the "load" you want to be testing on your genrator coils is not a certain lump resisitve load, or a shorted condition, but rather your generator coils filling a cap up to twice the voltage of your run cap wihtin a certain amount of time (such as the time of one revoltuion of motor)
the run cap probably around 2000uf or so I bet on most of your rigs since mine is similar but half the size with only 4 rotor magnets
the "collector cap" should be a little more more uf vlaue than the run cap so for 2000uf run cap, then itts maybe 2200uf collector cap...jsut to cover losses of one cap into the other.

hey kone,  my first thought as I was skimming your post is just the same as JDo300 said about DC-DC converters.  Not sure if you have one like the ones I've mentioned here as I think you are usually working with higher power and higher voltage units but the good ones I'm seeing on eBay lately are very nice and INEXPENSIVE for what they do.  Like from about $5 to $10 and that includes shipping and usually 3 Amps capability.  I've even seen some US based sellers in that range.  Most have adjustable input and adjustable output over quite a range.  Examples:
- http://cgi.ebay.com/DC-DC-Stepdown-Converter-Module-4-5-30V-OUT-1-25-26V-/270772752541?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0b50509d
- http://cgi.ebay.com/DC-DC-Converter-Step-Down-Switching-Power-Supply-Module-/280676745772?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4159a3422c
- http://cgi.ebay.com/DC-DC-Converter-Board-Voltage-Regulator-Stepdown-Module-/230631229697?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b2b14901

Just drop one on a 12 volt battery and you'll even have isolation from ground like I mentioned a couple pages back and bolt followed that message with a confirmation of it being likely an important thing with this.  I know I'm not nearly up to speed on all this as many here but I often recall tidbits of info I think are important and so pass them along in hopes it can help. 

Anyone know where one can find plastic washers with reasonable shipping?  I want to build my own coil forms.

[Dave45]

notice Ramero's rotor runs at 1200 rpm (frequency) but his coils frequency is 2400 so by running his rotor at 1200 rpm he's droping down to a lower harmonic but his coils are still reaching 2400 because that is thier resonant frequency, by doing this he is inputting less and getting out more.
You have to find the resonant frequency of your coils and then drop down to a lower harmonic of that frequency.

Using a function generator and a scope u should be able to find the frequencys that you need.

I believe that this is one of the tricks that he is using along with the magnet biasing and coil shorting its a combination of effects.

He evidently is a very patient and observant and smart.

I have only been at this for a very short while, hell I barely know the difference between a diode and a transistor and I dont do the math, you people blow me away with what you know, but I feel you are on the inside looking out and Im on the outside looking in. Hope I can help, if this doesnt make sence just ignore my rants.

Dave

[tanakat]

New Thane's video / demonstration :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1weXYivARo

[Magluvin]

notice Ramero's rotor runs at 1200 rpm (frequency) but his coils frequency is 2400 so by running his rotor at 1200 rpm he's droping down to a lower harmonic but his coils are still reaching 2400 because that is thier resonant frequency, by doing this he is inputting less and getting out more.
You have to find the resonant frequency of your coils and then drop down to a lower harmonic of that frequency.

Using a function generator and a scope u should be able to find the frequencys that you need.

I believe that this is one of the tricks that he is using along with the magnet biasing and coil shorting its a combination of effects.

He evidently is a very patient and observant and smart.

I have only been at this for a very short while, hell I barely know the difference between a diode and a transistor and I dont do the math, you people blow me away with what you know, but I feel you are on the inside looking out and Im on the outside looking in. Hope I can help, if this doesnt make sence just ignore my rants.

Dave

Really?  2400hz on the coil?   hmm  I cant picture it.

1200 rpm x 8 mags = 9600 pulses per min per coil.  Then   9600 pulses per min/60seconds is 160hz.

Now there is the space, the flat spot in the waveform. If we cut that out and just measured the 1 cycle, I can see it maybe 2 times 160hz, maybe, but 2400hz?  Is there a link in this thread that states this?  I never seen it.

Thanks Dave

mags