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Muller Dynamo

Started by Schpankme, December 31, 2007, 10:48:41 PM

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Rawbush

So here are the results from serial adding/bucking (like the picture) one wire at a time added. There seems to be a current limit, but plus 2 volts every time. Also I have not tried moving/tuning the coils for best output and will be seeing what happens there. The results:
Peace
rawbush

mondrasek

Quote from: xenomorphlabs on July 24, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
Since i am not too much a sucker for differential equations :)

Ha!  I think it was right after my difequ class that I switched from EE to ME!  Too much math in EE.  And I can design mechnaical systems in 3D in my head.  So a better fit anyway.

Quote from: xenomorphlabs on July 24, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
So experimenting with caps to get to resonance is in line with what he does, so maybe go ahead and do it.

But what is the C in an LCR circuit like the R-ZPEC?  I am guessing it must be the C of the coils?  And since RomeroUK used Litz wire, his C would be higher than what I have on my single strand coils.  Probaly by an order of magnitude (crap!)?

Dump cap should not be related to the LCR side of the circuit, right?  It should only be considered as the destination for any extracted power, right?

Quote from: xenomorphlabs on July 24, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
Then use standard non-reflective resonance extraction methods.

Huh?  What?

Talk to me.

M.

xenomorphlabs

Quote from: mondrasek on July 24, 2011, 03:54:09 PM

But what is the C in an LCR circuit like the R-ZPEC?  I am guessing it must be the C of the coils?  And since RomeroUK used Litz wire, his C would be higher than what I have on my single strand coils.  Probaly by an order of magnitude (crap!)?

It is unlikely, the C of the coils would have to be in the high uF range (~ 200uF ! ).
His coils had only 2mH inductance and his rotor didn't even seem to be running that fast.
For a coil of Litz wire to have such a capacitance is impossible (at least according to the established science)

Even though i cannot picture that in my mind, in Romero's device the oscillation indeed could have been between ALL coils and the dump cap.
The fact that they are all out of phase to each other doesn't make this more easier to imagine )
So if there is anything standing wave related at hand there, that's probably the only way that it could happen.

Bolt has been referring to the virtual capacitance layer between the rotor magnet and the bucking coils.
He might be able to shed more light onto this. Maybe this capacitance
is being pumped as part of a "virtual" LC circuit here for an oscillation.

EDIT: Why torture the man, a simple quote saves him the re-typing )

QuoteBolt:

Romero coil configuration is VASTLY different as each coil
wire out of phase produces a dipole. In between that dipole
there is a virtual capacitance layer which is charged from
the passing neo magnet between the dipole gap.
When the neo has induced a maximal magnetic flux the electric field
in the virtual capacitor is decaying, because of feeding inductance
with electrical current, external electric field from inductance
tries to recharge charge this capacitor by displacement current.
As a result, capacitor pumps energy from M field, and real JOULES o/p
of the systems rises. We allow this to happen because the coils
are wired out of phase. So self created magnetic flux is
minimal thus the BEMF is made ZERO not NULL. 
The energy does NOT come from the neo magnet directly
it only creates the conditions to allow this to happen more efficiently


QuoteThe OU
all happens within the cores.  They are
inductors which cause the current to lag
in two pulse directions with zero point
in the centre.  There is a moment where
all the coils are sequential setting up
momentary standing waves between the
inductor coils L and the dump cap C
.
When the current is a max within the coil
the voltage is zero at the dump cap.
However the core itself undergoes
transformation as it is biased into the
non linear region due to the back end
re-gauging magnets. This is the moment
where when the voltage is zero the core
becomes magnetoconstrictive and reverses
entropy. The capacitor sees a real Joule
Charge at this moment.

However this power can not be taken back
to the source directly as it has not
been powered factor corrected. This is
the job of the DC converter is correcting
the PF.  Without this is can not loop.
The backend re-gauging  magnets and
tuning to a specific load is critical.
There is a sweet spot to tune for each
load to correct the core B H bias.


QuoteHuh?  What?

Talk to me.

The extraction cap must stay in resonance.
If you tap it too hard then it will drift out of resonance.
Probably Romero's DC DC Converter was just doing it right.

chalamadad

Quote from: mondrasek on July 24, 2011, 03:00:29 PM
Might be time to e-mail Turtur?

M.

Mondrasek: The approaches are not the same. He is busy with his prototype anyway and won't have the time. he sais he couldn't even help all the people trying to help build his own setup. To be honest I'd rather like to surprise him with a running Romero replication. He isn't very far from where I am.

mondrasek

Quote from: xenomorphlabs on July 24, 2011, 04:13:06 PM
Even though i cannot picture that in my mind, in Romero's device the oscillation indeed could have been between ALL coils and the dump cap.
(The fact that they are all out of phase to each other doesn't make this more easier to imagine )
So if there is anything standing wave related at hand there, that's probably the only way that it could happen.

I too have been pondering the "frequency" of oscillations due to the relationship of the number of rotor mags and coils.  Since I only have 3 coil pairs mounted I thought that I might need to run at 3X the RPM as RomeroUK did to achieve a phase lock (since I have 1/3 the number of gen coil pairs). 

But the problem with that theory is this:  RomeroUK had 2 of 9 coil pairs as drivers.  So his output pulses would have been 3-pause-4-pause-repeat.  Not symmetric. So I still have reservations about a single coil pair or, in my set up, a triple coil pair, affecting the resonance frequency for a phase lock to ZPE (if it exists).

Quote from: xenomorphlabs on July 24, 2011, 04:13:06 PM
Bolt has been referring to the virtual capacitance layer between the rotor magnet and the bucking coils.

Several times, iirc.  I would welcome more input from @bolt.

If ZPE is able to be tapped:  By theory it should have a (relatively) wide frequency band, right?  But what frequency would be the largest?

What is the most prevalent EM "source" in the Universe?

M.