Muller Dynamo

[konehead]

Hi all
yesterday I was testing a smaller-size  "Mullergen" I built with aircores, using a 7.5HP size "rotovertored" 3ph AC motor to spin it at 1795rpm (.14Aac at 120VAC inputbut but did have it down to .08Aac for a time - bearings a little dirty I think..I bet with slim-design ceramic bearings it would be around .05A input but those are expensive)
I wanted some more output from a single coil in this machine  (a quick power measurement is 700maDC "crowbarred" with ammeter, and 22VDC after FWBR and smallcap...so figure about 11VDC X 350ma w/resistive load...around 12W per coil,  figuring very approx watts)
Anyways I put a big oil-filled AC cap of 40uf across the coil leads, before the FWBR....now I have 68VDC into a large size 2200uf 350V DC cap...thats pretty good really....draw to the rotovertor mtoor spinnig it doesnt go up  when filling up that 2200uf cap even from zero volts...so this is very good also....
to discharge cap without affecting draw, thats why you would use the diode-plug or "two stage" output, where you fill up cap unloaded, then dump cap to the load, only when cap is also disconnected from the genrator coils during the time period of the cap-discharge to load...so this means not only is the filling of cap not affecting draw to the "prime mover" (the motor spinnign the generator rotor) but also the discharge of the cap to load will not affect draw, so ipso fatso, lenz-less generator...
Interesting thing is, when looking at scope of affect of that 40uf cap, it causes the coil's waveform to RING a few oscillations more than what is normal without that 40uf cap, this besides increasing the votlage-peaks...so this is good thing eh....Hector has been telling me that you can get coils to RING/SHORT without any swtihcing-at peaks, via a large AC cap stuck onto them, so that is what just happened and has confirmed what H has been saying....
now next step is to ALSO short this coil at the peaks TOO, with mosfet swtihcing, along with this AC cap in circuit...(dont knwo if this will improve it even more but should)
The rings that occur are not a "flurry" of HF rings, like what happens with coil-shorting at peaks with mosfet swtiching,
more a smooth-looking heavy signal of extra-ringing going on, with the 40uf AC cap.....so this will be much easier to short at peaks, as compared to trying to short at peaks the hihg-frequency flurrry of peaks that the shorting-switch method causes.
Anyways any of you out there with any sort of mullergen-like thing going on (basically neodimium  magnets past coils to make power!) ....put a large size  AC cap across the coil FIRST before you put that FWBR across it going into DC cap....dont put any load on it at "first"too - "wait" for that, in next-stage (two) where cap discharges to load when cap is disconnenect from coils....
I saw that a 6 uf, a 10 uf, AC cap really had no effect in this particular coil (240ft totlalength bifilar 22GA wire aircore) ....a 75uf cap did have the effect, but was more "sunken" looking voltage on scope....so the 40uf cap worked best so far...I bet that there will be a very specific AC cap uf value that will work the very best like 36uf or 32uf or something but havent gong through all the cap sizes yet....

[avalon]

The speed-up under load means nothing because no one ever factored in the fact that some waste heat could be redirected to the rotor or the power consumption could change like I explained.  All "speed up under load" empirical observations are inconclusive.
MileHigh

Completely true. In fact, speed up under load for years has been something electrical engineers have been trying to avoid (specifically asynchronous motors speed up phenomenon).

You probably have seen this link (http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/index.html) but here it is just in case. The guy has done a good job studying the effect back in 2007.

I have seen a ton of other info on the subject and everyone has concluded that practical applications are very limited at best. There are no known (and verified) power generating setups based on the effect.

Recently I found a video on Youtube where a guy (I presume from the Ukraine as the domain is .ua) goes through steps of building and testing a dual-rotor planetary type generator free of Lenz effect. Although not in English the video is self explanatory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krgc-pQ-siw&feature=player_embedded#!

I was completely fascinated by the design and thought that the guy had a very good chance to actually build a working prototype. Sadly, the end result is negative and the project (as far as I know) has been abandoned.

[gyulasun]

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Recently I found a video on Youtube where a guy (I presume from the Ukraine as the domain is .ua) goes through steps of building and testing a dual-rotor planetary type generator free of Lenz effect. Although not in English the video is self explanatory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krgc-pQ-siw&feature=player_embedded#!

I was completely fascinated by the design and thought that the guy had a very good chance to actually build a working prototype. Sadly, the end result is negative and the project (as far as I know) has been abandoned.

Hi avalon,

On the domain site http://tet.in.ua (shown in the video) they do not claim the end result is negative, they claim just the opposite...   
See here the Russian text: http://tet.in.ua/?page_id=435 I quote:

ЭлекÑ,рогенераÑ,ор планеÑ,арного Ñ,ипа
ЭксперименÑ,Ñ‹ показали, чÑ,о самовращение генераÑ,ора возможно при условии использования эÑ,,Ñ,,екÑ,а Ð"убера. Ð'озникновения движущей силы данного эÑ,,Ñ,,екÑ,а наблюдаеÑ,ся при определенной скоросÑ,и вращения.


Google translates this as:

Generator planetary
Experiments have shown that self-rotation of the generator is possible if the effect of Huber. Occurrence of the driving forces of this effect is observed at a certain speed.


So what do you think?

Gyula

[T-1000]

Completely true. In fact, speed up under load for years has been something electrical engineers have been trying to avoid (specifically asynchronous motors speed up phenomenon).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B750RHM9hTc

I think this is what Muller originaly had in his dynamo. Grab RomeoUK circuit and build instructions and just change generator coils to high voltage and high induction coils then add step down high frequency transformer and have fun!

The conventional physics have formula for Lenz law but do not have formula to calculate timing of it. The higher induction on generator coil the later response of Lenz force on it. So at certain frequency the prime mover cycle can be finished already before Lenz force becomes into action!

[MileHigh]

T-1000:

The conventional physics have formula for Lenz law but do not have formula to calculate timing of it. The higher induction on generator coil the later response of Lenz force on it. So at certain frequency the prime mover cycle can be finished already before Lenz force becomes into action!

The formulas exist and there is no magic frequency that allows you to avoid the Lenz force.  The clip was a variation on what was already discussed about speed up under load.  The data from the experiment is inconclusive.  The motor controller consumes most of the power and you have no idea how it behaves beyond just what you observe.

MileHigh