Power ratio over one

[gyulasun]

Hi David,

Would like to know if you already considered using a DC/DC converter that would accept your output DC voltage  (up to some ten Volts, you wrote up to 60V) and would give out a stabil 1.2V DC at around 1A peak?

I think for instance of such circuits like the second one in this link (though its input is only 12V and its output is set to 1.5V, as shown):  http://ludens.cl/Electron/dcdc/dcdc.html  but there are many other practical circuits that would nicely fulfill your needs to close the loop.  (The 78S40 converter chip accepts up to 40V input and gives output from 1.25V and up, see data sheet here: http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM78S40.pdf
This way you would get rid of the rather problematic output power measurements tasks everyone rightly nags you on and on... The efficiency of such DC/DC converters is generally around 70-85%, in some cases over 90% so you could close the loop?
I have just seen your pictures of your setup at free_energy yahoo group, very interesting coil shapes you made, reminds me of Bedini windows motor of a kind?  Nevertheless, a schematics would be appreciated...

Thanks, 
Gyula

[MeggerMan]

Hi David,
This looks very similar to Mike's motor and those windings look massive.
Are you driving the rotor with the same coils that pickup the output?

Regards
Rob

[supersam]

@ handyman 1,

see i told you. you build it, they will come, the EXPERTS, it will do you alot of good to listen to what these guys have to say!!! 

lol
sam

[handyguy1]

Hay Gyula:
I haven?t even considered any means to have the apparatus self run. In my humble opinion its more important for me to prove that a power ratio over one is possible. This would be the first step. Once that is established, smart guys like you can work on the self running part.

Before I hook it to itself, efficiency has to be addressed. What I?m saying is that the apparatus configuration is in the ballpark. There is no way I can say exactly how big the output coils should be. The larger coil has the best output.  I am using 15ga wire for the driver coil. I suspect a 12ga. Driver coil with less turns would improve the operation. I am using 29 ga. Wire for the Output coil. However, I believe that a thinner ga. would also increase the output.

FYI, The 1.2-volt cell come about by my initial intent of finding out, how much power out I could get from the minimum amount of power input. The apparatus can be run on a greater input and shows the same power ratio.

I am working on a schematic now. Hopefully it will be done it a week or so.
David middleton

[handyguy1]

Hay Group:   (sent to free_energy group
The input is coming from a cell, 1.2-volt, 500mAh. The cell runs voltage and amperage through a coil creating an electromagnet. Suspended above the coil is a permanent magnet. When power is sent through the coil the permanent magnet moves. When the power is reversed the permanent magnets reverse. The magnets do not spin 360 degrees. It?s more like 45 degrees each way. The permanent magnets that are suspended above the driver coil is attached to a axle. When the driver coil magnets move the axle moves. Attached to the same axle are a set of magnets suspended over coils. Power is sent through the electromagnet moving the driver magnets, which in turn moves the axle which moves the generator magnets. Simply put, electricity in electricity out. Can?t get any easier than this.

How this relates to urinals and snake oil is beyond me.

The copper colored coil is the driver coil (motor). The driver input is separate from the three output coils (generators). On the larger apparatus, there is one driver coil and two output coils. One half cycle, of one output coil matches the input power. The second half of the cycle is power above and beyond the input power. The second output coil?s output, is completely ?free?. The second apparatus has a driver coil and one output coil. The second apparatus?s driver coil is hooked in parallel with the first driver coil. The second apparatus?s output is also above and beyond the input power.

Individually and as a whole the power ratio is great enough so that even an ?expert? can tell.
Say I do hook it to its self. How long does the device have to run to ?prove? power ratio?s over one?  There is absolutely nothing ?scientific? about that sort of test. An ?expert? should be able to measure the input, output, without such an unscientific test. If someone can tell me how power factor can be calculated from that test I?ll listen.

The objections I pointed out in Eric Krieg?s challenge still stand.

As clearly as I can; I can prove that a power ratio over one is possible. I have no intentions on showing how ?long? the apparatus can run. Proof can be obtained from one complete cycle.

If an ?expert? cannot test with modern test equipment, then the ?expert is not an expert?.
David Middleton