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Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

Started by Craigy, January 04, 2008, 04:11:39 PM

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hydrocontrol

Quote from: canam101 on January 23, 2008, 08:22:35 AM
Quote from: Ergo on January 23, 2008, 08:14:13 AM
You have all been great and very fast in replicating the OC MPMM.
But what's the status at the moment?
Any success or positive results yet?
I'm asking because I don't have the time to read all 106 pages of messages.

Nothing at all, despite attempts by several people using near-exact copies of Al's device.

It's almost certain that Al hoaxed people or was suffering a hallucination or delusion of some kind.
Although the near-exact copies physically appear to be correct there are still too many hidden variables, such as magnet strength + bearing field interaction + damper interaction, to jump to the conclusion that Al was hoaxing. There has been enough data collected to indicate that there is some strange magnetic interactions in the setup to warrant continued investigation. It may be what Al created was a strange fluke or it may be easier to get one working going a different path. It boils down to a little investigative research and a fair amount of time. Al still continues to provide feedback so that is a plus in his favor. Bottom line. Yesterday. Still no self running setup besides Al's. Today. Who knows. Tomorrow.. maybe.. Is it going to be easy.. Nope.. and that is the sad part of it. It would have been nice to throw it together and it worked.. Sadly it never seems to work that way.  :'(

Omnibus

@Ergo,

Some, myself included, already have the mechanical parts and are already studying the rig. Others have parts still being manufactured or are just receiving them. So far no one has achieved the acceleration seen in the video although several of us have already observed peculiar behavior during wind down. To my knowledge, no one so far has a device with rotor magnets weaker than the stator ones which is a major factor spelled out by the constructor. Therefore, it is premature to assert that replicators have already made sufficiently accurate replicas of the original device. Thus, my next step is to study this factor so I've already ordered magnets with two grades down and will report the outcome as soon as these magnets arrive. Even then it cannot be asserted that the device has been reproduced accurately because it is the proper interaction of the fields that is what causes the phenomenon to appear and reproducing this is much more difficult than just mechanical copying of the parts of the device. So there's still more research ahead. It very well may be that the original constructor is meeting difficulties in reproducing his own data as has happened numerous times before in this field because of the complexity of the magnetic phenomena. One prominent example for this difficulty staying in the way of a successful experiment is Tokamak which has been explored for probably over half a century, billions have been invested in it with no results in sight due mainly to the complications caused by the magnetic field.

Reproducing earlier results is a major requirement when doing scientific research and sometimes it takes years even decades to achieve satisfactory results. Anyone who has worked towards his or her PhD knows that. Of course, such results are published in peer-reviewed literature and the authors have a clear affiliation which makes the likelihood of fraud less expected. Nevertheless, cases have been known when authors have published fraudulent results in most prestigious journals especially regarding claims with substantial contribution for science. Not to say that huge amount of peer-reviewed publications are purely marginal and only cause pollution.

This case obviously differs in the way it was communicated. Many would consider this way more prone to abuse although others would point to the fact that this way of communication allows more detailed and prompt exchange with the author (if he doesn't disappear as it usually happens, this case being an exception so far). Of course, major factor to cause suspicion is the anonymity of the author but that's the nature of this type of communication. I should add that physical reproduction of this device is much simpler than in most cases during normal research in established institutions and when adding to it the fact that possibility to violate of CoE has already been proven beyond doubt tips the scales towards continuing the exploration, expecting a positive outcome. This motor follows the general principles such motors are based on so there's no novelty in that respect but the seeming simplicity of the design reducing the factors to study appears more convenient to explore, especially at a low budget level. These factors also make it more promising in the short term than other constructions.

Ergo

@Omnibus

Good reply.
I'll await the final result and hopefully self running replica.

sterlinga

Quote from: Ergo on January 23, 2008, 08:14:13 AM
You have all been great and very fast in replicating the OC MPMM.
But what's the status at the moment?
Any success or positive results yet?
I'm asking because I don't have the time to read all 106 pages of messages.

The following is what I have compiled at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MPMM:Replications

Successful


  • Sean CLaNZeR's replication of the OC MPMM Magnet Motor - Using a temporary stator magnet configuration, awaiting arrival of the proper stator magnets, Sean CLaNZeR showed brief acceleration in his replication of "Overconfident's" all-magnet motor built by Al... As far as we can tell, this marks the first successful replication of the effect to any extent. (PESWiki; Jan 14, 2008)
  • vipond50's replication of the MPMM Magnet Motor - "Today after reconfiguration of the Stator magnets to a dual bearings, I had a approximately one minute self operation of the device and maintained a constant RPM once Stator Sync occurred." (PESWiki; Jan. 19, 2008)
  • OS:MPMM:Replications:AuthoroldHorseface - reports "a short burst of acceleration, then a sustained speed for 10 seconds" (Jan. 14, 2008)
  • Omnibus' Replication of the MPMM - "After the initial spin, a definite acceleration is observed, which so far still cannot be sustained as long as alsetalonkin's but the effect is definitely there." (Jan. 16, 2008)

In particular, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZPI5BwccsA

Unless these statements were not intended to mean what they imply, to me they describe at least a small degree of success in four separate cases.

Sterling
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dean_mcgowan

Sterling,

Do you think that it is possible that COE may be violated?

Cheers,

Dean