Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

[ask]

A hypothesis about magnetic force and atomic structure.

Suppose there is a infinity fine small particle fill up the space. It has no mass but has electric charge. Let's call it energytron, it's mass is zero, it's charge is a fiction of an electron. Because energytron has no mass, we can hardly detect it. But since it has charge, it conducts electromagnetic wave.

In a hydrogen atom model, energytron attracted by proton and become a dense ball around the proton, its dencity is 1/rxrxr, its electric strenth is 1/rxr, relate to the distance to the proton. Electron attracted by the protron also, but it will be pushing back by the ball of energytron and balance at a certain r. (pretend earth is a protron, air is energytron, weather bloom is electron)

If we knock the atom, electromagnetic wave will send out. Electrons are not moving around neclear but like a beach ball up and down with wave.

If we concentrate proton or electron in a plan (flat area), magnet field will produced, Magnet field is nothing but magnetised space. It is one plan of densed energytron attracts next plan of loosed energytron and so on. Its strenth reverse to distance.

There is no single pole, it can not exist.

Time to smoke, have a great night!

[Yadaraf]

@Yadaraf,

"Q:  If some one can explain why there is a 20dB increase at 172.3 Hz after the rotor accelerates, I'd appreciate it. "

Could it be that that's the stator bearing after it's latched at AGW rotation? When I get my rotor back (on Thursday, hopefully) I'll send you an audio sample with the stator latched in AGW rotation (not difficult to achieve after applying penetrating lubricating oil) to see if there would be such characteristic frequency at all, and whether or not it would increase after the AGW latch.

172.3Hz seems to be present in many 44.1KHz samples. Evidently this is somehow related to the A/D conversion at 256bit resloution.

Harvey,

Thanks for the observation.  After additional analyses of the WMV file (not the FLV) a few days ago, I observed that the LO tone of 172.3 actually increased during acceleration.

... Full discussion here:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.msg76260.html#msg76260

... and here:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.msg76218.html#msg76218

In short, I took 25 audio samples of Al's device as it accelerated and observed that a LO tone and a HI tone were coupled (harmonics).  Here's a snippet of the data:

S      LO          HI       Ratio
=====================
01   164.19   826.34   5.03
02   166.88   826.34   4.95
..
..
24   177.65   866.71   4.88
25   177.65   872.09   4.91

I agree with you about sampling artifacts, and I think these threw me off when I analyzed the original FLV.  The WMV analyses, however, was different.  In fact, there is a small (~5Hz) difference between the two audios, suggesting different sampling rates.

Cheers,   

Yada..
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[ask]

If we concentrate proton or electron (by magnetising steel etc)  in a plan (flat area), magnet field will be produced. Magnet field is nothing but magnetised space. It is one plan (area) of densed energytron attracts next plan of loosed energytron and so on. Its strenth reverse to distance suqare (edited).

A magnet field is layers of densed and loosed energytron in space between two poles. From pole to pole, the dencity of energytron in the space is like this, super dense/super loose//very dense/very loose//......dense/loose//....very dense/very loose//super dense/super loose.

Poor English, hope you know what I mean.

[Yadaraf]

@ yadaraf

That's amazing! - pure ingenuity at its best. I am curious about the similarities in the two devices, as i have not seen OMNI's device yet. 

is it also an octagon of similar size/proportion/distance to the stator as the original device?

that (smaller) peak you are seeing , i think if this design were the theoretical perfect - would be at exactly 333hz.   notice that this is approx. 1/3 of the 1khz operating speed of this design.

if the microphone is sensitive enough you should also be picking up a 'beat' frequency at around 3khz
this is due to the sound emmited from the small stator, combining with the sound of the rotor.

when i complete my decagon design, it would be nice to examine the acoustics on that to compare them.

sm0ky2 ,

Thanks for your observations.  From what I've read and heard, Omni's device is octagonal and nearly identical to CLaNZeR's.

Q:  Why do you think that a peak should occur at 333 Hz in the theoretical design?

When you complete your decagon design, I would be very interested in analyzing the audio.  Let me know before you record anything, however, because we have a few tips.

Cheers,   

Yada..
.

[Omnibus]

@All,

Recall the fake "xpenzif  ." vs. the genuine "xpenzif": Here?s the post of the fake "xpenzif  .": http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3482.msg57341.html#msg57341 . Not that the ?genuine? ?xpenzif? behaved any better, dropping out of sight after a half-hearted initial cooperation when people started replicating his device.

Recall @v71who claimed he talked to the author of the Lego motor: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3346.msg74649.html#msg74649 but then he switched and began claiming that he?s the author: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3346.msg74700.html#msg74700 . Not that the author of the Lego motor was anywhere to be found to discuss replicating his motor.

Recall someone Mike discussed here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1988.0.html who wetted everybody?s appetite, even readily offering directions for some time how to go about replicating Bedini motor only to disappear without a trace.

And now the fake ?alsetaIokin?  vs. the genuine ?alsetalokin?. Here?s the post of the fake ?alsetaIokin?: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.msg77010.html#msg77010 . Notice, if you browse through the list of members of this forum you?ll see that this person has tried to fake the handle first as ?alsetalokjn? but hasn?t liked it for obvious reasons which has made him find a sneakier way and the next day he has registered the ?alsetaIokin? whereby the letter ?l? and the capital i, that is, ?I? is displayed as the same letter in the postings of this forum. Just paste these two letters in Word to see the difference. Clever, isn?t it? The question remains, though, why wouldn?t the troll register the genuine ?alsetalokin? handle which doesn?t seem to exist in the forum members list? This is a question which only Stefan can answer. Could it be that the fake ?alsetaIokin? wanted to be discovered as a fake at that by @Harvey? The plot thickens which introduces a mildly entertaining element in this whole saga. As for the ?genuine? ?alsetalokin? only time will tell whether or not he?ll reappear after he suddenly ceased his ostensible cooperation with those who tried to replicate his device.

Recall, there was this Danny from Ohio who claimed he has Torbay motor working let alone Torbay himself who completely disappeared after his unsuccessful demonstration in New York City.

I?m not even mentioning the likes of Perendev or Steorn because they justify their behavior under the guise of protecting corporate interests. The examples above are from projects which were supposed to be disseminated openly as science requires.

Please feel free to add to this list. I think we should not forget this unfortunate experience when assessing validity of claims.