Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

[Flying_Wizard]

I thought of a way that it may be faked...

If there was a magnetic driven device attached to the table on the underside, that was turned on at the correct time, with the top device in question spinning (loudly) it would have masked the hidden devices own noise. In addition as the user manually spun the top device it would have allowed it to sit in sync with the bottom device.
*Assuming that there is something on the underside of the table with an external power source feeding it into the top one*

**For all future tests, I would like to suggest that the divices be laid on a glass table or other transparent surface**

Shame, as it had me going for a while, but the bad lighting and poor camera angles (when the top device was moved around) made me think something wasn't right.....

[sm0ky2]

IF This Were NOT a Hoax:::, (magnetically speaking) we went about it entirely the wrong way...

all of the spin-worthy attempts at this design were detailed copies of the physical device. noone seemed to give a rats ass about the magnetic portion of the device.

each magnet is different, if you order a batch of "identicle magnets", you will find that each one has its own magnetic radius, thus each specific device should have been constructed magnetically, rather than physically.

the ONLY way to "copy" AL's device would have been under those lines. you cant re-create the exact physical structure, then try to use it with different magnets. this throws ALL your dimensions off. i pointed this out a couple of times, but everyone just looked right past it...

take the same device and swap out the magnets, or rearrange them and the function becomes slightly different. 

so to say that "we learned the device doesnt work" is a completely false statement. We learned that our particular constructions dont work. which means squat.
a magnetic meridian is a finite line. if its "off" by an immeasurable ammount, theoretically, function could cease. This makes what AL claimed to have achieved - similar to hitting the lotto.
We have the advantage of knowing what the desired effect it, it seems that we could use that, to reverse engineer this from a magnetic perspective, rather than ONLY by the exact physical dimensions of the octagonal-rotor,stators, density of the polyethelene baseplate, ect....   




as for the implied "Hoax" - remember that although AL did claim the effect he originally video taped was 'real'

he NEVER did say what was causing this effect (though he did mention several times that he did not know)
- this leaves possibility for something other than the device we see, to have caused this. And this 'somethine else' would have had to have been intentional - thus AL would be lying about 'not knowing'.

on the other hand - the statement "to prove something false is false" may have been within the context of a specific act, or small portion of the device in that particular discusion - thus may not have meant the entire device. - also is the fact that AL and his cronies continued R&D long after the original device was 'destroyed'.

Why??  - and the continued discussion of theoretical operation? if he had admitted it was a Hoax, why keep discussing how it works with people?

Also - remember he intentionally gave out FALSE information, more than once.
         If he was after money, this would all make sense, but so far he hasn't even mentioned monetary
         incentive, and in fact rejected such claims when it was brought up.

This whole thing doesn't make sense, for a hoax, OR a scam artist..  all the crap he put himself through, its possible that AL implied a hoax to get everyone off his case. There have been several people hounding him for information, to apply to their NON-working replications, People harassing him for making a hoax, People telling him hes full of %^&* because "PM is impossible"....   With people like that,. WHO NEEDS MIB'S!!??

This whole thing was a rediculous disaster, and handled improperly by all parties involved.
We can learn a lot from this situation, but it has little to do with the actual device...

If this were to 'work', (magnetically speaking) theres only one way it CAN work, i described this about 90 pages ago,  it would have to have the rotor and stator in perfect proportion to one another such that it causes flux-compression/switch/and expansion, with no backwards repulsion. - i can do this only in one arrangement and it it not quite circular so doesnt work with this.
thus far with the magnets i have, i cant find two mags, or sets of mags that actually make this occur spontaneously within a perfect circular rotation, with any more energy out than i put in.

[JFK]

FW, there are a few things wrong with your hypothesis..

1. It was a metal table.
2. After aquiring sync Al picks the device up and turns it on it's side... and IMO it does not slow down enough when he does this.

Personally I wish Al would have shown us the bottom side of his working OCPMM...
That may have yielded some clues.

And I agree wholeheartedly with sm0ky's above statement.

[Omnibus]

Interestingly, I?ve been emphasizing this point over and over again--that what matters is the magnetic field, not the physical dimensions of the magnets which although seemingly matching in shape differ considerably from each other. I?ve been saying that before the appearance of @alsetalokin and during the times we were trying to replicate his device. Recall that I posted here a number of kgauss vs. angle of rotation graphs of my device and I was insisting that @alsetalokin should measure his and post it here if he is serious about others replicating the effect he demonstrated. Thus, I can?t agree more with what you say regarding the role of the fields in that replication (and in any replication for that matter).

He never did that, didn?t he?

As for the ?active? participation, we?ve seen this done before by other hoaxers. Do you recall that Mike claiming to have reproduced Bedini?s device? Oh, how cooperative he was ? Until he wetted everybody?s appetite only to disappear suddenly and to never show up again. Same pattern. Don?t get fooled by that. And, please, no one was harassing him, that poor slob who was using the weakest of the weak--@overconfident--for his devious ploy. Please ?

As for this:

If this were to 'work', (magnetically speaking) theres only one way it CAN work, i described this about 90 pages ago,  it would have to have the rotor and stator in perfect proportion to one another such that it causes flux-compression/switch/and expansion, with no backwards repulsion. - i can do this only in one arrangement and it it not quite circular so doesnt work with this.

it doesn?t explain how the self-sustaining run is achieved. If you can formulate it better, maybe analytically with formulae, it probably will make sense. The way you describe it now is just not clear. Flux compression requires work. How is the work done by, say, the rotor more than compensated by spontaneous work done by the stator? There maybe something to it, I can sense it intuitively but has to be described more clearly. The mechanism of this ever persisting overcompensated juggling of energy between the rotor and stator isn?t at all evident.

[ezzob]

Hey all

We try too build a fake? why not, i am try too build a very very small motor in stator and see what happens?
Its a new competition.

Regards