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Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

Started by Craigy, January 04, 2008, 04:11:39 PM

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Bruce_TPU

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February 08, 2008, 10:50:43 PM
Quote from: vipond50 on February 08, 2008, 10:29:14 PM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on February 08, 2008, 10:13:29 PM
Evening All,

Quick update on a few things.  I picked up a box of SHCS 4-40  x3/4" for my Stators.  Identical to Al's.
Has anyone beside myself, wonder why Al would use SHCS screws, having to grind down each head, rather than a stainless steel flat head?  Splitting hairs again, perhaps, but one has to wonder why.  Tomorrow afternoon, I grind a few screw heads down.

I also picked up some packets of #4 stainless washers.  Identical to Al's.

I could not find any 4-40 nylon screws, only larger ones.  If anyone finds some online, please post.

I also received in my ABEC 7 Rotor bearings.  I will be testing both.

And of course my rotor did not arrive today.  Perhaps tomorrow.  It should be of the exact weight and size as Al's.

Now, about the Stewart-Warner Bearings.  My bearing guy heard back from them and it turns out that they do not manufacture the bearings, they only distribute them.  The people that Mike needed to speak with were in a meeting.  (of course.)  So Mike will contact them Monday and find out the Manufacturer of the bearings that they distribute.  Then he will contact that Manufacture and order said bearings.  A lot of work, but such is life.  I want a working machine, so will replicate as exactly as possible.   ;D

Cheers,

Bruce
Hi Bruce

Glad to here things are coming together for U. Now if u could check to see how magnetic your SS screws are before and after. Typically manufacture screws are heat treated included SS. With all my work with stainless i.e. 304, 304L, 308, 316 and 316L  grinding  or machining will make them more magnetic. So this being said, if Al ground or machined his 4-40 SC screw head height's they were magnetic to some degree. If a person want to reduce the magnetic effect then they will have to heat treated again. I do this by heating to a cherry red and quickly quenching them in cold water. They will take on a color of dark to black due to the oxidizing atmosphere (air). A true heat treat would be done in a controlled Atmosphere furnace.

Best Regards
Bill

Hi Bill,

That is the best explanation, the one that you give.  And from Al's post's, he would be the kind of guy to do such a thing for that very reason.  As Ken posted earlier, these SHCS Screws are VERY magnetic.  In other words a magnet is easily attracted to them. 

What is cool, in my mind, is how so many things are opposite of what one would think.  The screws, and the steel bearings.

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Omnibus

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February 08, 2008, 11:29:58 PM
@Bruce_TPU,

As you know, I agree that it's very, very important to reproduce the device exactly. Again, I'm afraid we still don't know some crucial facts about it. As seen, @alsetalokin disappeared altogether (what else is new) although his presence lately was hardly of any help. If he were a normal researcher he would report back if he's able to still reproduce what we saw in his first video and should try to make a replica of his working device with exact specification and place of origin of the few details this contraption consist of. That's not too much to ask from any researcher let alone from a researcher with such claims. The lack of activity in this respect leaves him open to all kinds of unfavorable for him speculations.

Yadaraf

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February 08, 2008, 11:45:41 PM
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RE .. 5th Harmonic

The second higher tone might be the 5th harmonic of the lower tone.  (e.g. 870 Hz is the 5th harmonic of 174 Hz)
 
Earlier I thought the LO and HI dominant tones were related to rotor and stator bearing noise respectively, but now I'm thinking that the lower tone of 174 Hz is from general stator "chatter" and the higher tone is its harmonic.  I don't see how either can be bearing race noise -- much too loud.

I'll collect more data and do a regression analysis on the LO/HI pairs.

... Q1:  What is the significance of a dominant 5th harmonic?

... Q2:  @FunkyJive, what do you know about the 5th harmonic in general?


Cheers,   :)

Yada..
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Omnibus

#2338
February 08, 2008, 11:48:47 PM
@Yadaraf,

Here's the sound bit this time with tails of background. Also, who knows, I've become a little more skilled in turning the rotor by hand so I could keep it almost within 240-260rpm range. Sorry for the delay. And, yes, I'm on the east coast--NYC.

Yadaraf

#2339
February 09, 2008, 12:17:57 AM
Quote from: Omnibus on February 08, 2008, 11:48:47 PM
@Yadaraf,

Here's the sound bit this time with tails of background. Also, who knows, I've become a little more skilled in turning the rotor by hand so I could keep it almost within 240-260rpm range. Sorry for the delay. And, yes, I'm on the east coast--NYC.

Omni,

Here you go.  I think the baseline worked well.   ;)   Note in the baseline that is a persistent spike.

Not sure what you can conclude, however ...


Cheers,   :)

Yada..
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