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Einstein's Dilemma - Why Governments suppress Free Energy! Please Read

Started by rhombus24, January 06, 2008, 07:15:17 PM

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Quote from: hoptoad on January 14, 2008, 02:30:18 AM
Quote from: rhombus24 on January 12, 2008, 11:19:22 PM
The maximum amount of energy possible from this system is described by e=mc^2.  But not for the entire machine, in fact it is for each electron!  That is a ridiculous amount of energy.
@rhombus
Never was there a greater misunderstanding of Einsteins formula than it's representation here in this thread. Yes E=mc^2. But what does that actually mean?

It is not a formula for predicting the kinetic energy of an electron (or any piece of matter), as it hurtles around at sub-luminal speed. It is a formula which shows the amount of energy released when matter (of any kind) is completely annihilated and is no longer considered a piece of matter, but instead is converted to the pure energy equivalent of a given particle of matter.

Simply accelerating an electron to high speeds does not give it the awesome energy output of E=mc^2. It's still matter, and merely possesses a kinetic energy with an impact force dictated by Newtons Law of Force = mass x acceleration.

Huge amounts of energy would only be released if the impact between a high speed electron and any other piece of matter was a direct hit, and complete anihilation of the electron (or other matter particle) occurred. If moving electrons at high speed alone was capable of producing such an effect, then the world would already have ended when the first lightning bolt was produced in the atmosphere.

Cheers from the Toad who Hops

I agree with the complete annihilation and I understand that, however you are wrong saying that the first lightning bolt would have destroyed the earth.  Please explain to me how a nuclear bomb works, and I mean the physics behind the atomic collision.  Then I will compare that to what an advanced TPU could do.

HopeForHumanity

Quote from: rhombus24 on January 14, 2008, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: hoptoad on January 14, 2008, 02:30:18 AM
Quote from: rhombus24 on January 12, 2008, 11:19:22 PM
The maximum amount of energy possible from this system is described by e=mc^2.  But not for the entire machine, in fact it is for each electron!  That is a ridiculous amount of energy.
@rhombus
Never was there a greater misunderstanding of Einsteins formula than it's representation here in this thread. Yes E=mc^2. But what does that actually mean?

It is not a formula for predicting the kinetic energy of an electron (or any piece of matter), as it hurtles around at sub-luminal speed. It is a formula which shows the amount of energy released when matter (of any kind) is completely annihilated and is no longer considered a piece of matter, but instead is converted to the pure energy equivalent of a given particle of matter.

Simply accelerating an electron to high speeds does not give it the awesome energy output of E=mc^2. It's still matter, and merely possesses a kinetic energy with an impact force dictated by Newtons Law of Force = mass x acceleration.

Huge amounts of energy would only be released if the impact between a high speed electron and any other piece of matter was a direct hit, and complete anihilation of the electron (or other matter particle) occurred. If moving electrons at high speed alone was capable of producing such an effect, then the world would already have ended when the first lightning bolt was produced in the atmosphere.

Cheers from the Toad who Hops

I agree with the complete annihilation and I understand that, however you are wrong saying that the first lightning bolt would have destroyed the earth.  Please explain to me how a nuclear bomb works, and I mean the physics behind the atomic collision.  Then I will compare that to what an advanced TPU could do.

Yep, you know it all. I guess we should drop all the work this wondeful part of the forum has produced and listen to your super atomic e=mc^2 TPU you talk about. Amazing; continue to damage your crediblility.... ::)
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WE MUST STOP THIS! Free energy is being surpressed because of it!

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    Governments don't supress free energy they are too busy busting scientist's balls to produce weapons so they can rule a fucked up world for a few years.
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hoptoad

Quote from: rhombus24 on January 14, 2008, 08:49:57 PM
I agree with the complete annihilation and I understand that, however you are wrong saying that the first lightning bolt would have destroyed the earth.  Please explain to me how a nuclear bomb works, and I mean the physics behind the atomic collision.  Then I will compare that to what an advanced TPU could do.
@rhombus
I agree 100 per cent, that the first lightning bolt would not have destroyed the earth. I stated that : If moving electrons at high speed alone was capable of producing such an effect, then the world would already have ended when the first lightning bolt was produced in the atmosphere.

But high speed electrons, on their own, are incapable of yielding energy in the magnitude of E = MC ^ 2, so we need not fear for the world splitting in two from a lightning bolt!

As for how an atom bomb works, I will simply point you to these sites, rather than re-write an extensive and time consuming explanation myself.

1. http://www.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-bomb.htm
2. http://www.tech-faq.com/nuclear-bomb.shtml
3. http://www.wisegeek.com/how-does-an-atomic-bomb-work.htm
4. http://connections.smsd.org/veterans/atomic_bomb2.htm
5. http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/nuclear/bomb.html
6. http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/neutronics/todd/nuc.bomb.html

And last but certainly not the least : 7. http://www.doug-long.com/einstein.htm

Cheers from the Toad who Hops





sparks

   I believe E=MC2 wasn't Einstein's formula to begin with.   The above formula quantitively describes what Energy is.  Energy is a change.  Mass is a state of Equilibrium. Energy is a change in this state of equilibrium.  Speed of light  determines the rate of change.  It is squared because mass exists at equilibrium when it is at the speed of light.  What Einstein did was expand upon this theory by stating Energy is only relavent to an observer.  This is quite obvious but he did the Math to prove it.  There can be no change in matter, Energy, unless it is observed.
In other words there can be no change unless something stays the same.

        The above formula holds true from everything from throwing a ball to neuclear fusion and fission.  The atomic neucleus is a very stable form of matter.  Therefore it takes alot of force to tip the scales of equilibrium in the neucleus of an atom.  Once this equilibrium is upset there is a conversion of potential for energy into kinetic energy.  This kinetic energy is small but enough to cause conversion of potential to kinetic in the next atom and a chain reaction takes place.  Just like tipping domino's over. ;D
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