DEBATE THREAD

[Bessler007]

Briefly the supernatural is above or beyond the present understanding of nature.  Since the answer from physicists is perpetual motion is impossible, any solution would be beyond or above that present scientific understanding or SUPER*natural.

I did look at your link, Poly, but I don't think you got my point.  People can complain they can't get funding for an energy idea blaming any sort of boogie man they invent.  Then there's BlackLight Power, Inc. founded by Dr. Randell Mills.   He has raised over $50,000,000 to fund his R&D.  He has very impressive credentials and a patent described here:

When is the ground state of a hydrogen atom not the ground state? When it is a "hydrino" state, according to Randy Mills and co-workers at BlackLight Power, a company based in Cranbury, New Jersey. In a series of papers Mills and co-workers have argued that the results of a variety of experiments on hydrogen plasmas can only be explained by the existence of a new state in which the electron has less energy than the n=1 ground state.

Regardless of what academia thinks capitalists fund ideas that are commercially viable.  The cold fusion community has a lot of interest and work is on going to produce something as we chat.   As far as I can see it isn't commercially viable.  If anyone could prove it were to a capitalist things would change in that world the same way Dr. Mills has changed his.

Complain or produce.

If there is a sound proof the SMOT is beyond overunity and is indeed a perpetual motion device (violates CoE) that proof could be published anonymously at Peswiki.  If you fear for your professional reputation Omni, that is an avenue.

I think you're coping out.

In case the point was missed I'll restate it:

• Capitalists will fund ideas they're sold on.  No one has made a good case to people like Neil Moskowitz, chief financial officer of Credit Suisse First Boston or Michael H. Jordon, chief executive of EDS for cold fusion as Dr. Mills has.  (source:  Wall Street Journal)  The key point is academia doesn't run the world.

Bessler007


Edit:
BlackLight Power, Inc.
http://www.blacklightpower.com/index.shtml

[psychopath]

Capitalists will fund ideas they're sold on.  No one has made a good case to people like Neil Moskowitz, chief financial officer of Credit Suisse First Boston or Michael H. Jordon, chief executive of EDS for cold fusion as Dr. Mills has.  (source:  Wall Street Journal)  The key point is academia doesn't run the world.

That does nothing to show that violation of CoE is impossible.

You must understand that for hundreds of years there were people discussing man made flight, and countless people threw themselves of buildings in search of it.

Just like the wiki site, and this one, there have always been nutty people trying to do the "impossible". History shows that there have been lots of "crackpots" who have turned out to be right, and many "impossible" things have been shown to be real.

Every time you say something like "If it was possible it would have been all over the media" or "If it was real I would have heard of it" it is the same as the "impossible" man made flight situation. The wright brothers didn't test their craft in secret you know.

Briefly the supernatural is above or beyond the present understanding of nature.  Since the answer from physicists is perpetual motion is impossible, any solution would be beyond or above that present scientific understanding or SUPER*natural.

I didn't imply any other definition, I meant that it is funny to see that you have been trying to achieve perpetual motion for 4 years yet you are somehow completely convinced that CoE is absolute.

[Bessler007]

You read what you want to see.  My point is this:

The Simple Magnetic Overunity Toy is (1) a toy without much benefit of overunity and (2) not a proof of a violation of the 1st Law.

The idea that things once thought impossible that presently work isn't a case for any impossibility you care to cite.  In other words just because some crackpots were finally vindicated is no reason to think every crackpot should or will be.  Further in other words no crackpot was ever vindicated without some sound proof or reason to think otherwise.

Every time you fail to specifically quote something I've said and deal with an exact objection as opposed to the vague generalizations you often fall into I'll ignore you.



Bessler007

[Omnibus]

You read what you want to see.  My point is this:

The Simple Magnetic Overunity Toy is (1) a toy without much benefit of overunity and (2) not a proof of a violation of the 1st Law.

The idea that things once thought impossible that presently work isn't a case for any impossibility you care to cite.  In other words just because some crackpots were finally vindicated is no reason to think every crackpot should or will be.  Further in other words no crackpot was ever vindicated without some sound proof or reason to think otherwise.

Every time you fail to specifically quote something I've said and deal with an exact objection as opposed to the vague generalizations you often fall into I'll ignore you.



Bessler007

The prudent thing to do is to remain silent on these matters because you have no clue either regarding Randy Mills or the violation of what you call "1st Law".

[PolyMatrix]

Here is an interesting paper on the tapping of Zero Point Energy.
http://www.innoventek.com/BassReZPET020406.pdf

The counter view to the funding side of things is the example of Tesla and Westinghouse. Westinghouse withdrew funding because what Tesla was making would not make him money.