Helmust Goebkes magnet motor

[wizkycho]

The diagram in essence is one of these...

It trades distance moved for force, unfortunately since magnetic flux degrades rapidly with distance it will never match the distance the lever has to be moved.

even this type of Perm. Mag. Lifter doesn't trades distance moved for force
(please be more carefull and find principle of work - I did)
it also reroutes mag field away from load (weight) but unfortunatelly not completely.

wiz

[gyulasun]

Hi all !

I've seen somewhere web page with simmilar drawing
describing work of permanent magnet lifters...
can someone find original the link ?
...

priniciple of work is in picture
if build properly COP is easily 100 - 1000 !!!

Wiz

Hi Igor,

Seeing your drawing I remember an old US patent on magnetic lifters and it is 2,243,616  you can copy and paste this number into this link for a free download :  http://www.pat2pdf.org/
Certainly there are other ideas of such magnetic lifters in other patents if you search them. 

But the question again is whether you can make a simple mechanical solution that needs low input energy to keep up either the rotation or at least a pendulum-like movement of the arm(s) that are attached to the cylinder (or sphere) magnets??  And assuming of course that the output power you gain from the changing flux by an appropiate way will be sufficient for feeding back to cover for the input power needs...

Again,  only practical testing can surely answer this.  By the way, your idea could be combined with the parallel path setup to get an even higher flux change...        http://www.flynnresearch.net/technology/PPMT%20Technology.htm  http://www.flynnresearch.net/young%20scientist/Josh%20Jones/PPMT%20Research%20Paper.pdf

rgds, Gyula

[wizkycho]

Hi all !!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_base
http://www.magnetics.com/product.asp?ProductID=52
http://realpower.hisupplier.com/product-130854-magnetic-holder.html

seems like there is only a need od 90 degrees to change states from on to off
(could it be done efficiently with el. relay ?)

can someone confirm that turning this device on or off doesn't reqiure much force, with or without attached weight
(clamped or no clamped) ?

anybody has experinece 'bout this ?

some of this devices can lift 5t !!!! still operating on/off with hands

wiz

[Gearhead]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_base

can someone confirm that turning this device on or off doesn't reqiure much force, with or without attached weight
(clamped or no clamped) ?

anybody has experinece 'bout this ?

some of this devices can lift 5t !!!! still operating on/off with hands

wiz

A magnetic base can often lift large weights like 5 tons, but the distance of effective force to contact is very short.  With the base in contact with the steel part the lever is fairly easy to operate.  Without being in contact with the steel part the lever is much more difficult to use.  This is such a common device that it seems improbable that energy can be harnessed from it unless this has been overlooked.

[wizkycho]

GearHead !

can you please answer aproximately

Let's say we have lifter PM device which is capable of lifting 200kg at a contact, what weight is capable of
lifting if device is spaced from weight with Aluminium sheet of 0.5mm thickness (this would be air gap in future rotor)
, and what weight (in Kg or pounds) needs to be applied to lever to turn on , and to turn off.

Many "impossible" things hasn't been given a little tought, cause they are "impossible".
This and simmilar stuf is not overlooked, cause nobody was looking at all.

Thanks
all the best Wiz