Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[OilBarren]

ABOVE THE CRITICAL SPEED THRESHOLD THIS SCENARIO WILL ALSO ACCELERATE.

Have you actually tried this with a DC motor and observed an acceleration effect on S/C? What sort of DC motor?  I have not observed it, but then, I used very low impedance commutator switched, shunt wound DC permanent magnet motors for driving and loading comparisons. I'm not surprised that I never observed the acceleration effect with these motors. And conventional theory says I shouldn't have been surprised. I haven't heard or read of anyone else (yet) that has observed this effect in a closed systemI'm all ears now ! You might be a miracle worker after all !  .

MY FEELING IS THAT IF THE ADDITIONAL TORQUE SUPPLIED BY THE HIGH VOLTAGE COILS AND THE HIGH CURRENT COILS IN SERIES IS GREATER THAN THE TORQUE REQUIRED TO TURN THE DC MOTOR THE SYSTEM SHOULD ACCELERATE.

P.S. - Just a minor correction to your considerations below

YES WRONG WORD USE THERE - MY "THEORY OF REVOLUTION" IS ALL ABOUT LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IN A HOLISTIC WAY AND COMPARING:

A)
A HIGH CURRENT - HIGH INDUCED ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELD - SHORTED COIL SCENARIO AND RESULTING DECELERATION
(according to Lenz's Law)

VS

B)
A HIGH VOLTAGE - HIGH ELECTROSTATIC FIELD - SHORTED COIL SCENARIO AND RESULTING ACCELERATION

IF LENZ'S LAW APPLIES IN ( A ) ABOVE WHY CAN'T AN ANTI - LENZ'S LAW APPLY IN ( B ) AS WELL?

Thane

[LarryC]

ABOVE THE CRITICAL SPEED THRESHOLD THIS SCENARIO WILL ALSO ACCELERATE.

Have you actually tried this with a DC motor and observed an acceleration effect on S/C? What sort of DC motor?  I have not observed it, but then, I used very low impedance commutator switched, shunt wound DC permanent magnet motors for driving and loading comparisons. I'm not surprised that I never observed the acceleration effect with these motors. And conventional theory says I shouldn't have been surprised. I haven't heard or read of anyone else (yet) that has observed this effect in a closed systemI'm all ears now ! You might be a miracle worker after all !  .

MY FEELING IS THAT IF THE ADDITIONAL TORQUE SUPPLIED BY THE HIGH VOLTAGE COILS AND THE HIGH CURRENT COILS IN SERIES IS GREATER THAN THE TORQUE REQUIRED TO TURN THE DC MOTOR THE SYSTEM SHOULD ACCELERATE.

A shunt DC motor operating characteristics is to hold a constant speed while serving a changing load, and the load can be entirely removed without danger to the motor.

A series DC motor operating characteristics is to vary its speed inversely to the load, and if the load is completely removed the motor will run away and possibly explode.

The series DC motor is much closer in operating characteristics to the AC induction motor and should produce similar results if the additional force is coming from the rotor.

Also, it is very interesting that Thane was able to get the induction motor above its rated max. At zero slip there is no induction, no current, no torque, because the rotor would be turning at the same speed as the rotating stator magnetic field. It is not capable of run away. How is it possible without some additional force being supplied?

Regards,
Larry

[LarryC]

A)
A HIGH CURRENT - HIGH INDUCED ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELD - SHORTED COIL SCENARIO AND RESULTING DECELERATION
(according to Lenz's Law)

VS

B)
A HIGH VOLTAGE - HIGH ELECTROSTATIC FIELD - SHORTED COIL SCENARIO AND RESULTING ACCELERATION

IF LENZ'S LAW APPLIES IN ( A ) ABOVE WHY CAN'T AN ANTI - LENZ'S LAW APPLY IN ( B ) AS WELL?

Just wondering. Does anyone know how low of a wire gauge was available to Lenz (1804 -1864) ? Lenz law presented in 1834. The insulated wire at that time was covered with cotton or silk.

Thanks,
Larry

[OilBarren]

A shunt DC motor operating characteristics is to hold a constant speed while serving a changing load, and the load can be entirely removed without danger to the motor.

A series DC motor operating characteristics is to vary its speed inversely to the load, and if the load is completely removed the motor will run away and possibly explode.

The series DC motor is much closer in operating characteristics to the AC induction motor and should produce similar results if the additional force is coming from the rotor.

Also, it is very interesting that Thane was able to get the induction motor above its rated max. At zero slip there is no induction, no current, no torque, because the rotor would be turning at the same speed as the rotating stator magnetic field. It is not capable of run away. How is it possible without some additional force being supplied?

Regards,
Larry

CLARIFICATION:

WE ARE USING A PM BRUSHED DC MOTOR IN OUR VEHICLE. MY FEELING IS THAT IF THE TORQUE SUPPLIED BY THE ACCELERATING HIGH VOLTAGE COILS AND THE ACCELERATING HIGH CURRENT COILS (WIRED IN SERIES) IS GREATER THAN THE TORQUE SUPPLIED BY THE MOTOR, THE MOTOR SHOULD ACCELERATE AND START TO ACT AS A GENERATOR .

SORRY WE NEVER GOT OUR INDUCTION MOTOR ABOVE RATED MAX SPEED - LUC TRIED AND BLEW UP HIS HOUSE.

Thane

[LarryC]

SORRY WE NEVER GOT OUR INDUCTION MOTOR ABOVE RATED MAX SPEED - LUC TRIED AND BLEW UP HIS HOUSE.

Sorry, I got confused by your listing of ignorant statement - factual statement in response #1011 to PB. Didn't know if that was ignorant statement or factual statement, after all with enough added power it could be a fact. Should have understood with THE BEST ONE part of the statement.

THE BEST ONE:
OR THAT A MOTOR THAT IS OPPERATING AT ITS MAXIMUM SPEED AS DICTATED BY THE
LINE FREQUENCY - WILL SOMEHOW ACCELERATE BEYOND THIS MAXIMUM SPEED SO THAT
THE SLIP ANGLE BETWEEN THE ROTOR AND STATOR IS NOW LESS THAN ZERO?

Regards,
Larry