Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[OUman]

...AS SOON AS YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL POWER GOING TO THE PRIME MOVER YOU ARE DEAD MEAT.

So why is "power going into the prime mover" the input that you're always measuring and reporting in all your test results?

[aether22]

...AS SOON AS YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL POWER GOING TO THE PRIME MOVER YOU ARE DEAD MEAT.

So why is "power going into the prime mover" the input that you're always measuring and reporting in all your test results?

I think Larry is right, don't feed the spooks.
Hell, I think it's just PB under a new guise.
They probably get paid in just the way Larry says, let's ignore and starve them out.

[OilBarren]

Q1: Thane, do you want me to find the Triac plane?

NO SORRY I DON'T HAVE TIME TO BUILD ONE.

At any rate if I find that improving the input is of no advantage then I'll go to a hardware store and purchase a Ryobi bench grinder, and once verifying it doesn't make any difference I will return it and buy one the same model as Thanes (or ask Thane to send me the one he initially planned).

ANY 1/3 HP CAPACITOR START INDUCTION MOT R SHOULD DO?

Q2: Thane or Luc, can you measure the resistance of 110v microwave transformer secondaries?

THIS IS NEVER A GIVEN NOR IS IT A WALK IN THE PARK EITHER.
THAT 6 X 2 COIL MONSTER IN THE PHOTOS DOES NOT ACCELERATE EITHER.

ITS SECONDARIES ARE 86 OHMS SET ON LARGE CORES.

THE MICROWAVE COILS IN THE DEMO HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7PBavkMGwI
WORK VERY WELL BUT THE CORE SIZE IS ABOUT 1/2 AS BIG AND THE COIL RESISTANCE IS 96 OHMS.

Thane, in your opinion what RPM should I not need to go above to get the effect to noticeably kick in?

THAT DEPENDS ON MANY THINGS BUT THE HYSTERISIS CURVE OF YOUR CORE PLAYS A LARGE PART - SINCE WE GET VERY GOOD RESULTS WITH THE TRANSFORMER CORES - BUT WE CAN GET ACCELERATION AROUND 400 RPM.

Q3: Thane, what is the highest speed you think I might need to reach to have the effect be obvious if it is in fact working?

STARTING AT 600 RPM @ 65 V MOTOR INPUT WE CAN ACCELERATE UP TO 2000 RPM EASILY.

I WILL get this to work, even if I need to plead with Thane to send me a complete package including coils, or send Thane my setup, or eventually even visit Thane!
But perhaps more immediately expedient, Thane would you be interested in me making a video of my failed attempt. (assuming it remains failed tomorrow)

PHOTOS ARE OFTEN GOOD ALSO.

Q4: Thane, want a video of my setup in action? See if you can spot any error?

SURE POST IT UNDER MY NAME ON YOUTUBE - TO SATIFY THE SKEPTICS WHO WANT TO SEE THIS FAIL.

I suppose another possibility would be that it is working to a point of balance, meaning that it is causing an equal amount of acceleration and deceleration, if so running it in isolation (non steel shaft which is able to stop the effect in all cases where a single coil has been used) may find shorting the HV coil slows the rotor where running it connected has no effect, not as dramatic but still interesting. (note quite sure I can do as much with 'no effect' though.)

Q3: Also Thane do you think the extra high resistance might be the downfall of my coil?

NO I WAS GETTING ACCELERATION FROM A 10 K OHM COIL.

I know this is a messy email and no fun to reply to, but I've gotta get this working and so far I'm just bamboozled, it has been successfully replicated by most who attempted, in fact my attempt is IMO the only one which appears to be a complete failure without some pretty good idea as to what was wrong. (If I understand I_Ron's attempt correctly it was quite different, and Larry had at least some success)

In the end I wonder if maybe it is a combination of my core material supporting too much in the way of eddy currents (like an extreme shorted high current coil) and the resistance/impedance of my coil being over double anything you have run adding up to a null net effect. If so a microwave transformer may be the best bet as soon as I verify mine will be suited so if you get that ohm figure to me within about 8-12 hours I should be able to test it tomorrow assuming it matches.

MY VERY FIRST TRANSFORMER COIL WAS 388 OHMS.

IF ALL ELSE FAILS I WILL SEND YOU ONE OF THE 12 WORKING COILS I NO LONGER USE.
IF YOU PROMISE YOU GIVE IT BACK SOME DAY I WILL EVEN SEND YOU THE 8 COIL MONSTER - BUT SHIPPING WILL BE NASTY AND YOU MAY GET IT IN PIECES.

IF YOU CAN MATCH THOSE MICROWAVE TRANSFORMERS IN THE YOUTUBE VIDEO - AT ABOUT 100 OHMS IN THE SECONDARY AND YOU ADD ANOTHER 100 OHMS YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT WORKING AND I WOULD USE AN AIR COIL TACH IF I WERE YOU.

GOOD LUCK
Thane

[LarryC]

@aether22,


Removed the 1 X 1/4" neos on back of the cupped 1/8" neos and just used the cupped 1" X 1/8" neos.

Was it you that used JB weld? if so how did you remove 'em?

No, I use strapping tape, strong but easy to cut and remove.


Added a second coil with 20 Ohms.

In series or parallel?

Each coil is set up to short individually.


I was able to get the acceleration effect at a lower RPM of 400 instead of 700 with the larger magnets.

Did it still get 'stuck' at the higher speed when you go OC?

Weird, after removing HV short, it slowly slowed down 10 rpms, then slowly went up 15 rpms, then re-shorted HV and slowly went up another 5 rpms.


Larry

[rukiddingme]

Hey Thane,

Is there a way to incorporate your device with this one?

http://www.dreamslaughter.com/kore/kore.htm
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4678.0