Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[aether22]

Adding metal powder to the hose (to possibly block the aether) didn't seem to make a difference.

I am pretty much done testing the first generator (can't think of any other tests unless someone has an idea), I could do the surrogate tests but before I do them I want to either check that my new bench grinder motor responds to the acceleration effect or alternately get it running up as the generator (with my new pulley rotor) and use my old motor as the surrogate, and I want to test Thanes increased HC induction discovery but I had tested it with the old motor and no effect (and even though it was my bday and I asked nice Thane wouldn't give me the secret recipe) so it may need a stronger acceleration effect or better stator setup, so either way I am on to the new motor, rotor and probably stators as I have 3 other MOT's just waiting to be used.

The new rotor will also give me a chance to try this stacked magnet discovery of Thanes too ("Brutal" acceleration, mmmmmmm drool), which I couldn't try with the other one because he again wouldn't give me the recipe for doing such without having magnets fly everywhere, and he knows I need EVERYTHING spelled out

So tomorrow I will be putting the new gen together, oh and one other thing.

I realize I have everything required to run the generator via a pulley, well almost, I need a nut removed from an automotive alternator. Hopefully then I can stop the acceleration effect, although I should have another decent chance of making my monster coil work with the new rotor.

BTW so far my plan is to make my new rotor a wooden disk with holes cut for the magnets, so wooden cup holders effectively but the bottom being the iron of the pulley. (though I may ass steel also)

[aether22]

2 other things.

I have emailed a company that rents torque sensors, to see if they are affordable for a months rental.
And if that doesn't happen and if the others tests fail to show the torque is from the motor as I hope then I will put the HV coils on my oscilloscope and track the rotation of the rotor with the other magnet so I know precisely what phase of the HV coil is with respect to the rotor to ensure it isn't leading the rotor.

BTW until I have anything worth showing I am not going to go to the bother of borrowing a laptop (not mine) installing my webcam on it and using it as an awkward video camera (complete with crappy manual focus).
But if anyone doubt I'm really doing these tests or just really wants to see my setup just ask and I'll do it.

Oh, and if anyone has any experiment ideas ask away.

[OUman]

addition: So if we assume the current is accurate at .14A and the resistance at 1200 and assume that the resistor has a highish inductor so we don't trust the voltage reading for our power calc. then we have 23.5 watts and then add 3w for the HV coil so we have 26.5w instead of Ron's initially reported 27w.

Umm, no, I don't think so. That internal 3W or so is a separate issue and it must always be added on top of whatever number is the correct one externally. The fact is that there's a 20% discrepancy among the external measurements so that needs to be reconciled. We don't have to guess about the resistance value - it can be measured accurately. As for the inductance, that can be measured too (although I expect it's much to small to account for this discrepancy).

[aether22]

Umm, no, I don't think so. That internal 3W or so is a separate issue and it must always be added on top of whatever number is the correct one externally. The fact is that there's a 20% discrepancy among the external measurements so that needs to be reconciled. We don't have to guess about the resistance value - it can be measured accurately. As for the inductance, that can be measured too (although I expect it's much to small to account for this discrepancy).

Yes but it restores it back to within half a watt from Ron said, mainly 26.5/27w of heating and 19w motor load increase = 7.5/8w FE (kinda)
But hey if you want me to say 30w and 11w FE as would be the case if his resistor was beyond 1200ohms, or the 35.3w and 16.3w FE if we assume it was his current reading that was off by .02A then sure.

But yes, the inductance seems unlikely to be high enough to effect it alone, the voltage would have to be too far off (almost 30v), a 20% inaccuracy in the resistor seems unlikely (apparently the ohmites from what I can see are 5% or better in anything like that range) but a .02A current error seems quite plausible to me, in which case the total watts is the 35.3w I stated above.

[i_ron]

Those numbers don't work together. 1200 ohms - 197 volts - 0.14 amps. This deviates from Ohms law by nearly 20% - so either there's something wrong with your measurements of resistance, current and/or voltage or the load resistor has a significant inductive component - which you would then have to adjust for to determine real power. This is not being picky - 20% is a very large discrepancy considering that the "excess" power of 8W is only about 3% of your total power input.

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I did not post these numbers to argue about. I clearly stated they were RAW numbers... merely to
indicate a TREND

The Brown Devil is wire wound resistor and if you consider six magnet stations at the stated 3600
RPM then one should consider the impedence of this component, yet you, without any evidence
to the contrary, have stated a 20% error in my numbers. That is bullshit.

Ron