Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[LarryC]

To state the obvious it's not really antigrav, at least not at that point.

And to state the other obvious point, the magnet should be able to float without touching the sides of the container.

Nice work, now can you remove the container and still make it work? (or at least verify that it can float without touching the sides)

Still it looks like you have it working or else the magnet should flip.

Now to bring this back on topic try using it (minus the floating and possibly backing magnet, but keep the side ones maybe) as a generator coil, bring it slowly near the rotor and see what it does. (it may plausibly cause acceleration further away and deceleration closer or something)

No fair changing the rules. In Jeff's two videos, it has a plastic container and seem to always be touching the sides.

Tried precise centering, but it is always want to slide to a side. May work better with magnets all around.

Test unit not set up. The wire is uncoated and would short if used as a generator.

No magic just normal magnetic attraction. The outside magnets are all facing North inward. The bottom of the floating magnet is South and floats just above the top surface of the coil. Three sides of the coil must be attacting it almost evenly, thus the effect.

Larry

[aether22]

No fair changing the rules. In Jeff's two videos, it has a plastic container and seem to always be touching the sides.

Tried precise centering, but it is always want to slide to a side. May work better with magnets all around.

Test unit not set up. The wire is uncoated and would short if used as a generator.

No magic just normal magnetic attraction. The outside magnets are all facing North inward. The bottom of the floating magnet is South and floats just above the top surface of the coil. Three sides of the coil must be attacting it almost evenly, thus the effect.

Larry

Not quite, according to Jeff the coil is repelled from a magnet, so if you have just the coil with no magnets attached and approach it with a magnet you will find it repelled not attracted to the steel.
That is seemingly an indication of induced superconducted eddy currents.

added:

Oh yeah, I forgot to add that obviously it being shorted doesn't mean it can't be used as the coils are meant to be shorted.
It simply means the only 'control' you can run is to run is with steel coil removed.

I would also add that various other anomalies are associated with this device including projection of EM(P). (Tim Ventura found with a pulsed version)

[aether22]

Torque measurements, well the results mainly indicate I need a better setup to have real confidence in the results.

I seemed to find a slight reduction in the reading (indicating an apparent reduction in motor torque) at higher speeds but this was not awfully clear and mainly occurred in the first test which was just to see if everything was working.

I found the scale to measure torque and most of it's readings made sense, but sometimes the readings would point more to imperfections in the method used.

Anyway though not as clear as I would have liked, Yes, there was a clear increase in the weight (reaction torque) from the motor at speeds from 700rpm and up though at some point as mentioned above the effect seems to turn around, possibly a sign that the effect at higher speeds is more of a braking reduction effect.
The effect was instantaneous, it was most certainly not related to any higher torque at higher speeds issues induction motors have.

However I would like to remove as many of the oddities and get cleaner results, though to an extent that might require making a far far flasher setup, still I'll put some thought into removing various artifacts to get cleaner readings.
The results agree with Vince's measurements and agree with all the other evidence and reasoning for the torque increase occurring at the motor, they are the opposite of what would otherwise be expected to occur if the acceleration was from the generator, however I would not rule out that the effect witnessed could possibly be an artifact of the stator pulling on things in such a way to to cause a bogus reading.

I will give myself the rest of tonight to think about that and play with the effect but if I haven't got a plan to give cleaner results I will just go ahead and make a video of what I have so far.

I would like to think of some way to measure the forces on both sides (pushing down and pushing up) because I would not be shocked to find many/all artifacts are ones that would not read if true torque were being read rather than just weight on one side.

[aether22]

I figured the best way to get rid of the main cause of doubt expressed in the previous message was to measure the effect from the other side, though I can't do it simultaneously as I only have one suitable scale.

And sure enough while the other side gets heavier on coil shorting this side gets lighter, this verifies that it is a real increase in torque on the motor housing in the opposite direction to the increase in torque apparent from the acceleration.

If this were an artifact then it would need to be one that increases the scale reading one one side as it decreases it on the other, and then you have to factor Vince getting the same results despite having a different system.

The odds of this being some kind of erroneous reading aren't very high.

I will try a few more tests including seeing if I can feel it by hand, if I can feel real torque increase when I hold both sides of the motor that will give me real confidence, although that will require an assistant to control the switch.

[LarryC]

Hey Thane,

Where the hell are you? Does your disappearance have something to do with your new notaspicegirl persona?

Regards, Larry