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Started by RunningBare, February 04, 2008, 09:02:26 AM

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aether22

Yes, I have thought about that, but screw it.
The thoughts are not just ones I put together in 20 mins, they have been put together over a lot of time as some of the most significant issues, hopefully people will read it and some might actually pick up on it's message, a 'plan to change the world' compressed into a signature.
?To forgive is to set a prisoner free and then discover that the prisoner was you.?  Lewis Smedes

adlep

Quote from: aether22 on August 10, 2008, 11:20:02 PM
Yes, I have thought about that, but screw it.
The thoughts are not just ones I put together in 20 mins, they have been put together over a lot of time as some of the most significant issues, hopefully people will read it and some might actually pick up on it's message, a 'plan to change the world' compressed into a signature.

Heads Up,
I respect your thoughts and what not, but please - consider that this is a public forums rather than your personal blog...
We should focus on posts, content, data values, and not on signatures...
My $.02

 

aether22

Yes but the signature is very much on topic.

Most of it relates directly to FE tech, and why it isn't 'out there' and how to get it out there. (skepticism, lack of unity or money meaning a lack of power to get the tech out, persistence etc...)

It is a bit big but you don't have to read it. (it fits within the allowed sig size with room to spare)
But really I'm not going to change it so if you need to then practice tolerance and understanding, another important quality.
?To forgive is to set a prisoner free and then discover that the prisoner was you.?  Lewis Smedes

utilitarian

Quote from: aether22 on August 11, 2008, 12:06:25 AM
Yes but the signature is very much on topic.

Most of it relates directly to FE tech, and why it isn't 'out there' and how to get it out there. (skepticism, lack of unity or money meaning a lack of power to get the tech out, persistence etc...)

It is a bit big but you don't have to read it. (it fits within the allowed sig size with room to spare)
But really I'm not going to change it so if you need to then practice tolerance and understanding, another important quality.

The problem with your signature is that it is full of banalities.  For example, "we cannot solve problems using the same system that created them."  Sounds good, but this is patently false.  You can indeed solve problems using the same system that created them. 

For example, take dog breeding.  Dogs have been selectively bred for certain behaviors and certain looks.  The dog is a very malleable species, and we humans have been very successful in making a huge variety of different breeds that all look very different and behave in different ways.  However, a big problem has crept up.  As a result of breeding, many recessive genes, resulting in inherited disorders, have been allowed to persist, due to the way the dogs have been bred.  Dalmatians are a particular example of this.

However, it is widely acknowledged that just as dogs have been selectively bred with undesired results, with any effort at all, we can selectively breed dogs and all but eliminate these inherited disorders.  We know what genes are recessive, and can simply continue to breed dogs until the recessive gene is all but gone, or at least has a miniscule chance of finding a matching recessive, which would result in the disorder.

So, selective breeding can be used for good or bad.  The system is the same, we just have to change the goals of the system.

aether22

You are taking things further off topic than I had.

But the issues with inbreeding is largely an issue of genetic diversity and I don't believe that an answer which fails to take into account such an important factor is truly effective especially in the long term, it may remove a few targeted issues but it will not lead to general good health IMUE. (In My Unexpert Estimation)
Also I have heard and suspect it may have some truth, that the children of interracial couples can have a certain vibrancy about them.

But your analogy however true or false it may be is missing the point because clearly I am not talking about inbreeding but the economic and political systems which are indeed creating problems and are supported by the problems and are not going to suddenly hand over power to the people and the solutions to their rule.

Addition:

Also systems create things no matter the goal.
For instance the Stanford prison experiment.
By taking normal people, putting some in guard and others into inmate uniforms the result is precisely what occurs in prisons, the system has a powerful effect on people actions.

Take also the Milligram experiment where most people would under instruction from an authority figure deliver what they believed to be a lethal electrical shock to an innocent person just because instructed.

Money as a goal corrupts motivation, and so farmers grow poison, doctors become killers.
Don't get me wrong, it has been hugely powerful to get us the benefits we have today but it has problems that occur and it is systemic, one thing corrupts another.

Now IF you have some plan for storming the businesses and governments of the world and kicking those running them with better motivations I stand corrected but a better and more realistic is to create alternate power structures, one that neither concentrates resources and power from many to few (wealth is becoming more concentrated as time passes.
Nor dilutes it from the few to the many (many charities largely face a problem far larger then their ability to fix it).

But one in which individuals empower each other, not just 'anyone' but those living to the same social agreement.
?To forgive is to set a prisoner free and then discover that the prisoner was you.?  Lewis Smedes