Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[Heinstein]

Are you sure that your steel bar is increasing the voltages in your output coil because of some very low back coupling of bemf to the motor? The effect could very well be the fact that your motor become more efficient because the steel bar is improving the magnetic field in your motor because of a strengthening of the rotor field in the motor itself.

YES EXACTLY THE NEW DRIVE SHAFT FERROMAGNETIC MATERIAL IS DECREASING THE AIR GAP RELUCTANCE BETWEEN THE STATOR AND ROTOR BUT NOW THE NEW ROTOR WEIGHS ANOTHER 10 lbs (ROTOR WEIGHT + MAGNETS + COGGING TORQUE) - RIDDLE ME THAT ONE BATMAN? sorry not correct

[aether22]

I'm in blue.


WITHOUTH THE COIL YOU HAVE NO GENERATOR.
WITH THE 1 COIL YOU HAVE A GENERATOR WITH ALOT OF COGGING TORQUE.= X
PLACE ADDITIONAL COILS IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND THE COGGING TORQUE DECREASES
X / NUMBER OF COILS.

PLACE A HUGE CHUNK OF IRON NEAR THE ROTOR AND YOU HAVE A HYSTERISIS BRAKE.

I know all that and the test would be imperfect but by my understanding it is possible that the coil even when electrically open circuit might be having an effect which could be why you had a result before they were shorted. (being that in my opinion the weak magnetic flux seems like an unlikely culprit by it's self to have the magnitude of effect apparent, and while there is massive slip which makes it seem more plausibly a magnetic only effect the fact it works with a universal motor in which slip has no meaning reduces that explination)

I realize that with one core it wouldn't work (And I really had not thought it through) and would be doubtful with two due to the difference in hysteresis drag, but maybe if identical cores without windings can be tested against open circuit coiled cores, but I don't expect you to try that test and I am far from sure of the result.


Wow, 8 posts in a row, that's pretty impressive Thane.
BTW the best use of your prescious time on here would probably be in giving any suggestions to avoid bung builds like that of groundloops, guide builders around as many pot holes as you can, and give any clues or observations (that it works in universal motors also!), or building tips (for instance I am not sure how I am going to make a version of your brass coupler).

The worst thing that could happen would be for a few bad reproductions to take place and for you to go MIA leaving a lack of confidence in further build replication, still I'm reasonibly optomistic mine will work.
But tips on how to couple shafts to motors and rotors and couplers would be good, and I'm saying that despite having done some before.


Oh, I just realized the test I should have suggested, but see that I may need to do it since it's a big ask.
Run it with a friction load and no stator anythings, then try it again but with no magnets on the rotor, replaced by equivilent weights.

But I really do doubt it's the Neos on the rotor since the poles are a very short distance apart (and the flux is shorted out by the rim of the wheel on the outside) and there is an even number of Norths and South facing the motor, so by all accoints it should be next to didly squat getting to the motor, more likely the steel shaft is a bit magnetically hard and retains a slight magnetic field..

[Heinstein]

I know all that and the test would be inperfect but by my understanding it is possible that the coil even when electrically open circuit might be having an effect which could be why you had a result before they were shorted.

I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE I IDENTIFIED THE SAME PHENOMENON WITH MY ELECTRIC DRILL INSTEAD OF THE INDUCTION MOTOR. INCREASED RPM WITH STEEL BAR INSERTED NO COILS AT ALL  - JUST A SIMPLE 2 OHM AIR COIL TO MEASURE "RPM".

I realize that with one core it wouldn't work and would be doubtful with two due to the difference in hysteresis drag, but maybe if identical cores without windings can be tested against open circuit coiled cores, but I don't expect you to try that test and I am far from sure of the result.

DID THAT ABOVE.

Wow, 8 posts in a row, that's pretty impressive Thane.
BTW the best use of your prescious time on here would probably be in giving any suggestions to avoid bung builds like that of groundloops,

NO SUCH THING AS BUNG BUILDS IF YOU LEARN SOMETHING ALONG THE WAY.
I HAD 1000'S OF SO CALLED BUNG BUILDS AS DID EDISON AND BELL ETC.

guide builders around as many pot holes as you can, and give any clues or observations (that it works in universal motors also!), or building tips (for instance I am not sure how I am going to make a version of your brass coupler).

USE PVC PIPE.
PURCHASE A I/3 HP BRUSHLESS INDUCTION MOTOR BENCH GRINDER.

MY MOTOR PROF ONCE SAID, "IF ALL ELSE FAILS GO BACK AND READ THE INSTRUCTIONS."

But tips on how to couple shafts to motors and rotors and couplers would be good, and I'm saying that despite having done some before.

USE A THREADED LATHE ARBOUR

OR
1)
PUT YOUR STEEL ROTOR ON ONE SIDE DIRECTLY COUPLED TO THE MOTOR DRIVE SHAFT.

2)
ON THE OTHER SIDE GLUE PVC PIPE AND ATTACH IT TO ANOTHER BEARING MOUNTED DRIVE SHAFT.

3)
CHANGE THE ROTOR FROM DIRECT MOUNT TO PVC PIPE ISOLATED MOUNT AND SEE THE DIFFERENT EFFECTS.

4)
DON'T RUN YOUR MOTOR AT MAX SPEED EITHER.

5)
EMPLOY ROTOR LEVER ARM TO AMPLIFY LENZ TORQUE EFFECT TO OVERCOME MOTOR POWER.

Thane

[Heinstein]

TRUE STORY

THE BRASS COUPLER WAS MADE FOR US BY EEC ? ELECTRON ENERGY CORPORATION IN PENNSYLVANIA AFTER 5 HOURS OF TESTING BECAUSE THEIR TWO PH.D?S CONCLUDED THAT MY PVC PIPE WAS ABSORBING THE MOTOR TORQUE THUS CAUSING DECELERATION WHEN THE COILS WERE SHORTED ... ALTHOUGH THERE WAS NO DECELERATION PRIOR TO SHORTING THE COILS?

AFTER THE BRASS COUPLER WAS INSTALLED THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR AT ALL SO THEY CONCLUDED THAT THEY COULD NOT EVALUATE THE PROTOTYPE PROPERLY BECAUSE ONE ROTOR WAS SPINNING CLOCKWISE (DIRECT MOUNT) AND THE OTHER COUNTERCLOCKWISE (ISOLATED MOUNT).

AND THEY CALL ME CRAZY!

Thane

[innovation_station]

hi guys


heres my take i watched the vids  and a damm good job done!!!   

this apears to be a simple device
what more can i say

lol

to replacate this should be simple to put it to proper use should also be simple lol

so far i have not seen  a proper use of this  unit however perhaps i can help   

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