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Thane Heins Perepiteia.

Started by RunningBare, February 04, 2008, 09:02:26 AM

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SkyWatcher123

Hi folks, Hi hydrocontrol. I did test an identical setup with the 30 guage wire and it gave similar results although it did seem to take less rpm to show signs of rotor speed increase, the 30awg coil was about 110 ohms similar mass, where as the other tests with 24 guage was at around 8 ohms. About more recent tests ive made with 2 coil/cores of 24 guage wired in series with dual rotors sandwiching the coil/cores provided impressive very noticeable audible speed increase which reduced current input to drive motor from 3A to 2.47A @ 24V which is about 12W input decrease, also tried wired in parallel and results were not quite as good but still increased speed. I also tried the transformer load takeoff method and it works good as long as proper load is applied. By the way my rotor magnets are all same polarities facing coils of course with opposite rotor in dual rotor setup being all opposite polarity in relation to other rotor. However right now since im using bolts as cores, which are ok since im not using alternating permanent magnet rotor poles, the threaded ends are still there which means one rotor is at a distance from one side of coils similar to Bill Mullers ideas.
I am now starting to wonder why this effect couldnt be replicated in some solid state form and i did see a video from Thane although im not sure if he was copying the same type effect with the device i saw in the video.

peace love light   :)

hydrocontrol

Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on April 08, 2009, 11:55:31 PM
Hi folks, Hi hydrocontrol. I did test an identical setup with the 30 guage wire and it gave similar results although it did seem to take less rpm to show signs of rotor speed increase, the 30awg coil was about 110 ohms similar mass, where as the other tests with 24 guage was at around 8 ohms. About more recent tests ive made with 2 coil/cores of 24 guage wired in series with dual rotors sandwiching the coil/cores provided impressive very noticeable audible speed increase which reduced current input to drive motor from 3A to 2.47A @ 24V which is about 12W input decrease, also tried wired in parallel and results were not quite as good but still increased speed. I also tried the transformer load takeoff method and it works good as long as proper load is applied. By the way my rotor magnets are all same polarities facing coils of course with opposite rotor in dual rotor setup being all opposite polarity in relation to other rotor. However right now since im using bolts as cores, which are ok since im not using alternating permanent magnet rotor poles, the threaded ends are still there which means one rotor is at a distance from one side of coils similar to Bill Mullers ideas.
I am now starting to wonder why this effect couldnt be replicated in some solid state form and i did see a video from Thane although im not sure if he was copying the same type effect with the device i saw in the video.

peace love light   :)

One form I believe your are referring to the Steven Marks device or the TPU which claims to create a similar effect. I do know Thane was working on a solid state version with a different twist but have not heard about that for awhile. The mechanical device, although not as compact as a solid state version I suspect, can be used to keep too many questions from arising if it hooked up to a wind source. I really see no reason that both sides of the rotor could not have HV coils on it producing power. In viewing Thanes video he starts off by stating he will be only using "these two cores" which he points at in the video. He then has a load on one coil by way of a transformer then he shorts three more coils. I am presuming that each core has two coils so if he is using two cores then he has four coils. From looking at his setup he has more than enough cores already to generate some serious power. It does appear that the output is around 24 volts but I could not tell if AC or DC. If AC then all he has to do is rectify it with some diodes and feed it to a super cap for filtering and storage. The super cap then feeds a 24vdc to 110vac inverter for powering standard 110 volt items like a Ryobi motor ;)  Oh wait.. I forgot.. That is not possible... Yes. you can power your lights instead.. That's it.. Lights.. We all need lights..

Looking forward to Thane's next video.. Always interesting.

SkyWatcher123

Hi Hydro, thanks for reply. In regards to thanes "april fools joke" video, it looked to me as though he was using 2 coils on 2 of the toroid core extensions meaning 1 coil per extension piece from toroid for generation and since rotor magnets i assume are mounted in alternating polarity fashion when rotor magnets align with cores he has a closed magnetic loop. Yes that would be interesting if we looped the power back into the drive motor, since it would accelerate giving even more output and accelerating even further, hmmm could be very interesting for motor propulsion drive not mention all the other possibilities.

hydrocontrol

Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on April 09, 2009, 01:26:16 AM
Hi Hydro, thanks for reply. In regards to thanes "april fools joke" video, it looked to me as though he was using 2 coils on 2 of the toroid core extensions meaning 1 coil per extension piece from toroid for generation and since rotor magnets i assume are mounted in alternating polarity fashion when rotor magnets align with cores he has a closed magnetic loop.
It was an "april fools joke" video so it may be hard to tell exactly. I do remember he stated at the start of the video that even though he had all these cores attached he was only going to be using only two. Then later in the video he is flipping a switch to turn on the lights shorting out one of the coils by way of the transformer then he shorts three more coils with jumpers that are not attached to transformers. Each jumper increases the RPM. If the other output coils were tied to transformers as well and loaded then each output would potentially be 24 volts. So the total of 24 volts for each of the four coils equals 96 volts possible output from just these four coils. You may also noted that the voltage Thane had ramped down to run the motor was around 96 volts (might have been a little less). Thane could jump in here and clear this up. 
And then again he may not since he would have to put on his flame proof suit. ;)
I also noticed that two of his magnets had writing on them which I thought indicated the poles. It would appear that they had the same poles facing out. He might have had two magnets at a time facing out so it might be N N S S N N S S or it might be N S N S N S N S.  Again Thane could clear that up.

Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on April 09, 2009, 01:26:16 AM
Yes that would be interesting if we looped the power back into the drive motor, since it would accelerate giving even more output and accelerating even further, hmmm could be very interesting for motor propulsion drive not mention all the other possibilities.
Careful... You may not want to mention that here in this forum.. There are "eyes" everywhere... Lets just view it as the "April Fools Joke" video that it was meant to be ;)

CRANKYpants

Quote from: hydrocontrol on April 09, 2009, 08:29:20 AM
It was an "april fools joke" video so it may be hard to tell exactly. I do remember he stated at the start of the video that even though he had all these cores attached he was only going to be using only two. Then later in the video he is flipping a switch to turn on the lights shorting out one of the coils by way of the transformer then he shorts three more coils with jumpers that are not attached to transformers. Each jumper increases the RPM. If the other output coils were tied to transformers as well and loaded then each output would potentially be 24 volts. So the total of 24 volts for each of the four coils equals 96 volts possible output from just these four coils. You may also noted that the voltage Thane had ramped down to run the motor was around 96 volts (might have been a little less). Thane could jump in here and clear this up. 
And then again he may not since he would have to put on his flame proof suit. ;)
I also noticed that two of his magnets had writing on them which I thought indicated the poles. It would appear that they had the same poles facing out. He might have had two magnets at a time facing out so it might be N N S S N N S S or it might be N S N S N S N S.  Again Thane could clear that up.
Careful... You may not want to mention that here in this forum.. There are "eyes" everywhere... Lets just view it as the "April Fools Joke" video that it was meant to be ;)


N N S S N N S S - IS CORRECT
I AM ONLY USING 2 COILS SINCE I ONLY HAD 1 TRANSFORMER FOR THE VIDEO.

EACH COIL PRODUCES 38 W OR MORE w/ ACCELERATION THROUGH A TRANSFORMER.

8 COILS WILL PRODUCE ABOUT 38 WATTS EACH OR MORE AND WE WON'T BE DOING ANY "REAL" DATA COLLECTION TESTS UNTIL WE HAVE OUR NEW STATOR RING AND PROPER STEP DOWN TOROID TRANSFORMERS (BETTER EFFICIENCY).

THIS PROJECT HAS A FINAL OBJECTIVE OF BEING A SELF RUNNER.
THE COIL OUTPUT WILL EITHER BE FED INTO A CAPACITOR OR A BATTERY AND THEN FED BACK INTO THE MOTOR.

TO ACHIEVE THE ABOVE STATED GOAL WE NEED CORRECTLY DESIGNED STATOR CORE AND CORRECTLY WOUND COILS.
EVERYTHING UP TO NOW HAS BEEN AD-HOC SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW IT ALL PANS OUT - BUT THE CORRECT APPROACH TAKES MORE TIME.

CHEERS
T