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Overunity Machines Forum



Thane Heins Perepiteia.

Started by RunningBare, February 04, 2008, 09:02:26 AM

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polarbreeze

Quote from: aether22 on March 06, 2008, 08:33:49 PM

...adding a physical load that reduces speeds and does not contribute more aether flow to the motor will hurt or kill the effect.


So if the motor must be run without a physical load in order for the device to have an effect, what possible practical use can the device have even if it works? An electric motor can't do anything useful if you're not allowed connect it to a load where it can do real work.

polarbreeze

Quote from: aether22 on March 06, 2008, 07:35:30 PM
...frictional losses are tiny...

That's why standard, off-the-shelf electric motors operate routinely in the range of 95% efficiency. Unless they have this device attached, in which case the efficiency is much, much lower due to the electromagnetic braking effect which wastes large amounts of power as heat.

jacksatan

In light of the fact that no one has chosen my favorite color for quite some time, I'll be black...

It's getting puke making almost, luckily I can heavily prune it. - Agreed

Similarly, if someone showed proof of free energy I am sure we would all believe him.

Already been done, but I guess you don't research FE much. - so many definitions of 'free energy' - put it this way, 'free' energy would be wonderful, but I'd settle for 'cheap' energy... or at least any energy that costs less than $0.10 per kWh...

I actually think this would be a good test though personally there are other things I believe are far more critical, but still it would be helpful. - I'm just leaving this in because it makes me happy...

Running the current from the coils through another external coil, this one probably slipped over the shaft of a running loaded motor, see if it has a comparable effect. (if it does rectify and smooth verify effect remains)

Then if that works replicate the same current through an identical coil, same amps but from a normal source such as from a normal transformer connected to the mains, see if this current with the same ampere turns has the same level of performance boost.I don't see how this would give an indexed metric?

Another test is to freeze the motor and measure the static torque (preferable with a DC motor) with and without aether/back-emf/whatever.

Finally apply the output to different electromagnetic devices to see if it decreases hysteresis, if it reduces eddy currents (doubtful), if it increases magnetic field strength or if it increases pulling or projecting of a magnetic field, see precisely what it does to increase motor (and possibly also generator) function.
This last one flew way over my head... you may need to demonstate it with finger puppets...

That should really read 'I am not AWARE of any scientific base...", personally I am. - To the contrary, as you so rightly pointed out, since it is so stigmatic to associate with the 'free energy' movement, respectable scientist in the field are hard to come by... thereby leaving the existing base of data very heavily weighted toward wackos... (this is not meant to offend, but you seem intelligent enough to recognize that even if 'free energy' exists, 2 out of 3 people who believe in it are tin foil hat types...)

Well one thing worth noting is that even if Thane was right and had not exaggerated about energy output increasing to infinity (or failure) your test would still not work because the faster it goes the more power the motor gains (or at least more correctly the factor improving motor power without increased current increases) so adding a physical load that reduces speeds and does not contribute more aether flow to the motor will hurt or kill the effect. - A potentially valid point only if the increase in energy output is directly related to existing speed of the motor. If this turns out to be the case (which would certainly offer a very fundamental insight into the cause of the anomaly) one way around this would be to test using tension cables where the load would increase in direct proportion to the power output...

It's not that I don't think your tests are a good idea, but it IS that there are tests that are much higher on my list for when I get this up and running, understanding and improving the effect is more important than measuring it, IMO the final form will likely be solid state and possibly not improve motor power but actually help make energy. (there is a bunch of evidence for the ability of some devices to literally pull fields from great distances with full strength and yet not return the favor making a one way transformer, this is also one of my theories of how motor power might be increased) - here's hoping...

It could of course lift any weight with the right gearing. - and "I could move the earth if I only had a place to stand" - I said vertical pulley no gears - direct weight proportion.

jacksatan

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And it seems that though Jack is skilled in the art of self deception (believing that as you say a subjective inconsistency is more solid that proof) he is compared to the others an open mind and not seemingly out to disprove it.


self deception ?

I don't think so.

I think  that  Jack just  loves to argue .....and he is very good at it .

What better place to argue than a place where people have passion for what they  are trying to do .

- I'm truly touched...

markzpeiverson

Here's a simple test for all who dare to try... and I bet all, or nearly all, will fail it.

Give me a complete, concise statement of the Law of Conservation of Energy... can be done in one sentence.  If you're shy, then email it to me.

No, this isn't a game... it's to drive home a very important point about the proper application of this Law, and all the "confident" assertions on the possibility, or lack thereof, of FE/OU devices.

-Mark
We dance round in a ring,
And suppose...
But the Secret Sits in the middle,
And knows.    --R.Frost