Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[polarbreeze]

Answer these questions:
1: Have you recently watched the 1st and 2nd video? (the second being appended to the first)
2: Did you see in the (1st) video where the coils were shorted INCREASING THE LOAD ON THE MOTOR bringing it to a dead stop?
3: Did you see in the video where with the one change of adding a steel piece in the brass coupler made it accelerate beyond the point where it could be safely run as opposed to coming to a dead stop?
4: Did you notice that the voltage and in more recent tests the power output of the coils increased as the speed increased?
5: Since you believe that the generator load has decreased rather than the motor becoming more powerful, and given that the first video shows load increasing on coil shorting and since the only change in the 2nd vid is that the shaft is all steel can you explain how this steel shaft can dramatically reduce losses in the generator?

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. The motor and the loading device (what you're calling a "generator") form a closed system. ALL of the electrical power that is input is dissipated as waste heat, since there is no other output from the system. Therefore the efficiency of the system is 0%. When the steel shaft insert is in place, there is magnetic feedback from the "generator" to the motor. It is a matter for speculation whether this affects the level of waste heat in the motor or that in the "generator", since neither you nor I nor anyone else AFAIK has measured this separately for the motor and the "generator". I think it's in the "generator"; you think it's in the motor. However, what's for sure is that it has no effect whatsoever on the efficiency of the total system because ALL of the electrical power that is input is STILL dissipated as waste heat. The efficiency of the system is still 0%.

[polarbreeze]

Give me a complete, concise statement of the Law of Conservation of Energy...

In a closed system, the total amount of energy remains constant.

In all of these experiments, the "closed system" is the combination of the motor connected to the loading device ("generator"). The amount of energy in that system remains constant. Therefore in the steady state the amount of power leaving the system must be exactly the same amount of power as the electrical power entering the system. Since there is no mechanical output from the system, all of the electrical power leaves the system as waste heat. This is the case whatever material the motor shaft is made of (steel vs brass vs plastic etc).

[Morgenster]

Hi all.

as promised here is the link to the most up to date 2 camera video that I took of Thane's Generator with LIGHTS as load and it has the same acceleration as before.

YouTube Link: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=MFUwNJx6x1o
Megaupload: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ERQEFPBW

We have also completed a new and much more efficient primary coil to test Thane's Toroids and so far have achieved 38% efficiency in Toroid number 1 which is only 2,000 windings per side. We have not wet tested it in Toroid 2 which is 4,000 windings which should double the efficiency and then Toroid 3 which is 5,500 windings, who knows what it will do

Please stay tuned for more updates.

Luc

Luc,

interesting to see what happens there. I'm curious though. It appears to me each bulb was connected to one coil. What would happen if you add a few extra electrical loads incrementally to one or two coils instead of switching on each coil in turn?
I'm no electrical engineer but wouldn't electrical resistance be lower if you put a few lamps in parallel instead of hooking up one (assuming they're all the same)? If that were true you could make a parallel circuit in which you can switch on one lamp at a time (connected to the same coil) and see how the system behaves with each incremental change.

[markzpeiverson]

Give me a complete, concise statement of the Law of Conservation of Energy (LoCE)...

In a closed system, the total amount of energy remains constant.

In all of these experiments, the "closed system" is the combination of the motor connected to the loading device ("generator"). The amount of energy in that system remains constant. Therefore in the steady state the amount of power leaving the system must be exactly the same amount of power as the electrical power entering the system. Since there is no mechanical output from the system, all of the electrical power leaves the system as waste heat. This is the case whatever material the motor shaft is made of (steel vs brass vs plastic etc).

Congrats to PB.  Here was what I had written prior to posting the 'test'...

"In a CLOSED system, energy can never be created nor destroyed, just converted from one form to another.ââ,¬Â

The key here is the phrase, "In a closed system"...

ââ,¬Å"In a CLOSED system.ââ,¬Â  What does that mean?  It means that you are aware of and can monitor/measure ALL sources of energy in the system under test (heat, electrical, chemical, kinetic, potential, nuclear, etc.).  If there is any possibility that some other form of energy is present in the system, then one would need to be able to monitor that other form of energy in order to make any kind of determination concerning the LoCE.

But you say, ââ,¬Å"We know and can measure all forms of energy!ââ,¬Â  Oh really?  Thatââ,¬â,,¢s either arrogance or naivete talking.  There is at least one more potential source of energy recognized by mainstream science that is never considered in these systemsââ,¬Â¦ the zero point field (ZPF).  We now have significant empirical evidence of its existence (e.g., the Casimir effect).  As far as I am aware, no one has proven that interactions between the ZPF and matter cannot occur.  Perhaps they are continually interacting (i.e., inertia) but science just hasnââ,¬â,,¢t caught up yet with realityââ,¬Â¦

If one even allows the possibility that the ZPF exists and MIGHT interact with matter or other forms of energy, then there is another potential source/sink of energy that must be monitored.  So far, I am not aware of any such instrument that allows us to do that.  This means that achieving a truly ââ,¬Å"closedââ,¬Â system is virtually impossible.  Thus, although very unlikely, a true scientist/inventor must allow for devices that seem to violate the LoCE.  Only careful and methodical analysis will determine if any apparent OU is due to error, or that weââ,¬â,,¢re dealing with a system that is not truly ââ,¬Ëœclosedââ,¬â,,¢.

Funny how some people are not even capable of acknowledging the possibility of a ZPF/matter interaction... they probably feel like that would be akin to 'losing' the argument!  Sad... not losing an argument is more important than discovering the truth.

-Mark

[polarbreeze]

...although very unlikely, a true scientist/inventor must allow for devices that seem to violate the LoCE...

I agree completely. In this case, though, the device does not seem to violate the LoCE in any way, does it? Power in = heat out, no muss, no fuss.