Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[aether22]

OK, great, so there are then three pieces of evidence suggestive of OU potential:

I then went on to list a further 4, so 7 in all that i can think of at this very moment.

1. Acceleration beyond the speed of no stators present. (per reply #2366 for the figures)

2. Acceleration dependent on path to motor and stator number. (steel shaft versus other)

3. A measured increase in torque on the motor casing. (can only occur if the motor outputs more torque)

Experiments need to be designed to build on this evidence and fully characterize each of those effects.

Agreed.

Personally I think the most promising ones are #1 and #3,

I like 2 and 3 more.

especially as there seems to be some dispute about that whole feedback-down-the-shaft thing.

I think the evidence you quoted, and that I listed above, is only suggestive, not probative.

No, the results, along with the other 4 show that braking is totally unable to account for the effects.

But it's a good starting point and I can tell you for sure that if any one of those three points were to be expanded with some really convincing characterization data - with defensible experimental method and with measuring equipment that is sufficiently accurate and properly calibrated - then the world will beat a path to Thane's door.

Are we both thinking about the same world? I guess not.

I'm doing what you call "the latter" rather than "the former" because if progress is to be made, I think somebody needs to be raising these points.

PB already raised them.
And the latter is disrupting the thread and so you have admitted that you are here to disrupt.

I point out that since details of this device are so freely available, and since everyone who has attempted a decent replication has succeeded in doing so (besides myself) then you have little reason to not actually be a help to this thread rather than a disruption.

You must at this point realize that your objections which are identical to PB's have not got through to Thane or me or anyone with a device so obviously they will not.

You may also note that Thane has been very generous with me both in replies and sending a rotor and shafts, asked me questions about my aether theory, and even commended some of the ideas I have had (easy to test) and yet he has not tested a single idea that I or anyone else has had, so if you are waiting on him to test an idea you have well I think you can guess your chances.

So if no one with a device will listen to you (only reply to try and stop damage that idiocy of the type you demonstrate can do) and if you won't make a device, and you admit you are disrupting the progress then what good do you think you are doing here?

[aether22]

A22 - IS IT JUST ME OR IS THERE A TEAM OF "OUmen" SOMEWHERE RUNNING AROUND GOOGLING LIKE CRAZY IN SOME OFFICE, ALL WEARING BLACK SUITS (LIKE THE MATRIX) ALL DEDICATED TO THIS THREAD 24/7?

CHANTING...

"Nothing ever gets done
unless it's done by a fanatic."
Martin Sheen

Thane

Yes, though I think they use the crappy M$ Live Search, they couldn't stand Google's corporate motto of not being evil.

[aether22]

SORRY DUDE - PM DC MOTOR - GOOD TO UP TO 55 MPH w/ 2 PEOPLE.
AND NO GEARS ETC. FOLLOWING THE KISS RULE    .

Thane

Ah, Ok, so a DC motor for acceleration and deceleration, gotcha, yes that would keep things easier.
So the universal motor is just for OU recharging of the battery and rolling resistance.

[CRANKYpants]

Ah, Ok, so a DC motor for acceleration and deceleration, gotcha, yes that would keep things easier.
So the universal motor is just for OU recharging of the battery and rolling resistance.

UNIVERSAL MOTOR?

[aether22]

UNIVERSAL MOTOR?

Ok, whoops, I didn't notice I said universal motor, I meant to say DC motor but I guess I have universal motors on the brain.


I was going to ask you why not use a universal motor, but I figured you had a reason to say DC.
One advantage is a universal motor has no top speed unlike a DC motor (unless you put in more volts)

But it stands to reason than universal motors should be less efficient since they are using energy to create the stator field.

Also using a universal motor as a generator would require some fiddling.