Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[LarryC]

I WOULD SUGGEST USING 3 STACKED MAGNETS WITH YOUR MOTS AND INCLUDING SOME BACK IRON IF YOU CAN - I DID THIS TODAY AND PRODUCED BRUTAL ACCELERATION - SO MUCH SO THAT I LOST A MAGNET IN THE HEATING VENTS UP IN THE RAFTERS IN MY LAB.

Congrats Thane on your award, it looks like a shaft and I can't think of anyone more deserving. 

Brutal acceleration!!!  Very interesting, but would like to know why that at one point you were using a solid metal encased 3/8 HP motor and now you are back to using the Ryobi? Just want to make the right investment if I attempt to experiment again.

@A22,
Please forget about OUman and follow Thane's advice about the six cups (balanced). 

Regards, Larry

[aether22]

No, there's no break in the shaft - those sensors work by way of some kind of a strain gauge built into the shaft that passes through them. Besides, Thane indicated that even a 2-foot PVC isolation does not kill the effect.

Reproducing Vince's method wouldn't be very instructive because as he said himself, it's not accurate enough to draw real conclusions from. I really think than using a professional sensor designed for the job is the way to go.

This ought to be top of the list because Thane keeps telling us that measuring the prime mover input power doesn't mean anything - yet that's the way the input power is actually measured in all the tests posted to date. Thane also said that what matters is the torque in the shaft - yet that is not being measured in ay of these tests.

There is and must be a brake in the shaft and while I don't know if it is steel to steel with a sub millimeter gap or 2 or something more serious I know it is there.

I suspect that besides the possibility of the sensor attenuating the transmission of aether that it is likely to be a bit too costly.

So unless I find one for about $30-$40NZ I will not get one unless you choose to contribute, and since you spend so much time in this thread I suppose that maybe quite suited with your significant interest level.

Personally I believe that by replicating the isolation experiment and surrogate experiments any further verification of motor torque increase is not needed.

I would also say I disagree with Thane, motor current is only a good indicator of motor torque if you know the RPM and every other factor relating to efficiency.
If it were possible for the aether to increase motor torque without increasing current then obviously Thanes assumption would be untrue and since he doesn't know aether from bubblegum I don't think he can answer that question when even I am straining to do so.

[aether22]

A22 - I_RULE,

IF YOU ARE NOT DELIBERATELY AND CONVENIENTLY AND PERSISTENTLY RETARDED BEYOND ALL REASON

I'm a human aren't I?

I WOULD SUGGEST USING 3 STACKED MAGNETS WITH YOUR MOTS

And now an opportunity to demonstrate retardedness.

So I should stack 3 neo rotor magnets on the rotor to increase strength?

See, repeating something said back to the author to indicate surprise and disbelief.

But if I do that they will fly off the rotor (more than usual).

And stating obvious problems rather than looking for own solution to such problems.

AND INCLUDING SOME BACK IRON IF YOU CAN - I DID THIS TODAY AND PRODUCED BRUTAL ACCELERATION

Now I'm salivating liker a retarded moron.

- SO MUCH SO THAT I LOST A MAGNET IN THE HEATING VENTS UP IN THE RAFTERS IN MY LAB.

I WILL BE SENDING JM THE PHOTO ESSAY OF MY MOT PROCEDURE SHORTLY.

ALSO A22 - I WOULD GRIND OFF ALL BUT 6 CUPS OFF YOUR WHEEL AND LEAVE THE ONES CONNECTED TO THE SPOKES ONLY.

I'll make sure it works first though. Not sure what grinding them off will do to help if they are not being used.

The 3 magnets thing thing makes me want to use these magnets that are only a bit under 1 inch in diameter and more than an inch long, so maybe with the pully I'm getting I'll put big magnets on one side and normal one on the other.

But already I feel more questions coming, mainly how did Ron and Luc secure ther magnets when if I am right they used no cup holders. (I have some ideas but it's nice to go the proven route)

[i_ron]

BTW Ron, I'd still love to see that current measurement of your shorted HV coils.

They are put on last right? (closer to the rotor magnets than the HC coils)

sorry, I had missed that one... I get .15 amps on the meter, surprisingly (to me) that stays the same
at the increasing RPM as it winds up to speed and also shows .15 A on a 10 ohm load... not surprising
the volts are only 1.3 volts AC at this 10 ohm load....

Yes the HV coils are next to the magnets

Ron

[aether22]

A22,
CAN YOU PLEASE VERIFY PUBLICLY THAT YOUR MOTOR IS NOT DRAWING ADDITIONAL CURRENT WHEN YOU GET ACCELERATION FROM YOUR HV COIL(S)?

IF IT IS YOU'RE SCREWED.

THANKS
Thane

I'll check but IMO it would be very unlikely and if it were happening it would seemingly be still a useful anomaly because since the reverse should be occurring (higher speeds means less current) then it means that something from the generator is changing the electromagnetic conditions in the stator.

But I am still drooling over your brutal acceleration!