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Thane Heins Perepiteia.

Started by RunningBare, February 04, 2008, 09:02:26 AM

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derricka

Quote from: CRANKYpants on March 07, 2009, 06:16:47 AM
PERHAPS WE CAN EVEN TALK I_RON INTO MAKING ROTORS FOR PEOPLE AS WELL?  :-\

For anyone who needs a custom parts made, check out http://www.emachineshop.com/
You download the free CAD software and design your part. Then you upload the drawing file back to emachineshop.com.
The part is computer cut for you by emachineshop.com on their CNC manufacturing equipment, which they can send to you via Fedex etc., usually, within a few days.
You can have one item made, or thousands, and pricing is very often cheaper than if you made it yourself (being paid a reasonable hourly wage). You get a price quote when you upload your drawing.
The drawing file can be posted or emailed, so others can have parts made, or customize your design.

Kator01

All,

may i interrupt your happy-go-lucky-talk by presenting some serious document, user AhuraMazda placed in another
thread :

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get249

Looks as if this repulsive and accellerating phaenomenon was know already in 1887 (by Prof. ELIHU THOMSON. )

We now also have a name for it : "electro-inductive-repulsion"

@AhuraMazda : great find, thank your

Regards

Kator01




CRANKYpants

Quote from: Kator01 on March 07, 2009, 04:15:30 PM
All,

may i interrupt your happy-go-lucky-talk by presenting some serious document, user AhuraMazda placed in another
thread :

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get249

Looks as if this repulsive and accellerating phaenomenon was know already in 1887 (by Prof. ELIHU THOMSON. )

We now also have a name for it : "electro-inductive-repulsion"

@AhuraMazda : great find, thank your

Regards

Kator01


BASICALLY THIS PERTAINS TO A STRONG ELECTROMAGNET WHICH INSTEAD OF ATTRACTING A PIECE OF STEEL - REPELS IT BECAUSE THE HIGH REMNANT FLUX STEEL BECOMES MAGNETIZED WITH THE SAME POLARITY IS THE ELECTROMAGNET
AND THE "NEW" REPELLING ACTION IS GREATER THAN THE "OLD" ATTRACTING ACTION BECAUSE THE COIL'S MAGNETIC FIELD CHANGES FASTER THAN THE STEEL'S IN THE TIME DOMAIN.

The Action of a High-Frequency Alternating Magnetic Field on Suspended Metallic Rings and Disks
Taylor, P.K.
Proceedings of the IRE
Volume 22, Issue 7, July 1934 Page(s): 886 - 896


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Summary: An experimental study of the torque on suspended nmetallic rings and solid disks caused by a high-frequency alternating magnetic field indicates (1) that G. W. Pierce's expression for the torque on a ring is valid over a wide range of frequencies, and (2) that, as a function of frequency, intensity of field, thickness, and conductivity, the torque on a disk is sufficiently similar to that for a ring to suggest that it varies as Ï,,p2Hv2/R(1+Ï,,2p2) in which Ï,, is the time constant of the disk, R, its effective resistance, and p is 2Ï€ times the frequency of the applied magnetic field whose virtual intensity is Hv. Measurement of this torque on a ring or disk apparently constitutes a convenient and practicable method of measuring the intensity of a high-frequency magnetic field. Comparative measurements on a ring and disk indicate that the greater part of the induced circular current in a disk at high frequencies flows near its periphery, primarily because of the shielding action of the peripheral currents, a result in agreement with experimtents made previously by Zenneck. A reproducible depression in the torque-frequency curve of a thin silver disk was observed at 700 kilocycles.





T

CRANKYpants

Quote from: i_ron on March 07, 2009, 11:21:15 AM

So to be viable, this generator has to put out the watts!!!  This has not been demonstrated yet.
Let me know when the output matches the input and I will get more interested.

Real World  Ron

A GENERATOR CONVERTS MECHANICAL POWER TO ELECTRICAL POWER.

1) THE MECHANICAL POWER IN = TORQUE x SPEED x 2PI

2) THE ELECTRICAL POWER OUT = V^2 / R

3) IF THE IS SPEED = 0 RPM THERE IS NO POWER IN AND NO POWER OUT ALTHOUGH THE TORQUE MAY BE 
                                  IFINITELY HIGH.

4) IF THE SPEED = 3500 RPM THERE IS TORQUE AND POWER BUT THE REQUIRED NEW TORQUE DOES NOT
                              COME FROM THE MOTOR BECAUSE THE STATOR CURRENT DOES NOT INCREASE.

5) THE EFFICIENCY OF AN ELECTRIC GENERATOR = ELECTRICAL POWER OUT / MECHANICAL POWER IN.

6) WHEN THE HV COILS ACCELERATE THE MOTOR & ROTOR  & DELIVER POWER TO THE LOAD - THEY DO SO WITH LESS
    TORQUE
AND LESS POWER THAN IS BEING PROVIDED BY THE DRIVE SHAFT IN SCENARIO (3) OR 0 WATTS.

7) THE MECHANICAL POWER IN = 0 WATTS WITHOUT THE HV COIL, TORQUE AND POWER RESULTING ACCELERATION AND
    POWER DELIVERED TO THE LOAD(S).

THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE UNIVERSITY ON FRIDAY - WITHOUT ARGUEMENT OR CONTRADICTION SO FAR.

Quote

Let me know when the output matches the input and I will get more interested.

SEE # 3 ABOVE.

CHEERS
T





i_ron

Quote from: CRANKYpants on March 07, 2009, 06:08:07 PM

THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE UNIVERSITY ON FRIDAY - WITHOUT ARGUEMENT OR CONTRADICTION SO FAR.

CHEERS
T

This comes under the explanatory heading of, Bullshit Baffles Brains.  lol

Number three is correct and there is no argument from me...
except that it does not apply in this case.

What is evident from the video's is that the HV coil 'seems' to be working as stated, the motor
input does reduce and the output coil 'does seem' to increase it's output in symbiosis with the
HV coil, yet the actual output is not presented as a percentage of input at any time making it
difficult to judge the actual effectiveness of the two coils. What I would like to see is a proper
baseline and then the impact each coil has on the drag and input/output numbers for each case.

Ron