Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[BasementExperiments]

"You said you found little current if the loads resistance was less than 1kohm? That is a concern."

Now that really hurts, that is a serious concern.... so far.

[Heinstein]

Dear aether22,

I didn't say (or at least I meant to say) that I said I was getting 170 volts across a 1 k load, 28.9 watts. I needed 220 volts across the same load to be over unity because my input was 45 watts. Our progress to date suggested that as we increased turns on our secondary the output power increased as well with a fixed input. I am waiting for Luc to finish his primary so we can post the data for all three of my toroids which should bear this out.

Anyone please tell me what do you think the effect will be in doubling the relative permeability in the above toroid?

Also please find enclosed my invitation to Dr. Zahn to join me at NASA.
Looks like I am going solo but I would like some feedback on the ?hysterisis brake? idea circulating the web since no one ever suggests that in the lab after they see it.

Luc or anyone else any comments?

Please find enclosed the Test Data for Luc and Steve?s demo.

The speed of the system for the NO LOAD Test # 1 was about 60 RPM.
The speed of the LOADED system, Test # 2 was about 1100 RPM.

Thanks
Thane

Markus Zahn <zahn@MIT.EDU> wrote:
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:36:42 -0500
To: "Thane C. Heins" <thane_heins@yahoo.ca>
From: Markus Zahn <zahn@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center Invitation & Information
Request
CC: rhabash@site.uottawa.ca, kcunningham@OCRI.ca, zahn@MIT.EDU

Dear Thane:

It seems to me that before you give more high level demonstrations, that you need to do more homework on your induction motor speed up due to the presence of a strong permanent magnet.  As I and others have stated, the effect is most likely due to the magnetic hysteresis of the iron material that gets shifted by the permanent magnet to a new DC operating point.  If not already done I also think you need to do some careful performance measurements such as measuring shaft speed and terminal current magnitude and phase with and without the presence of the permanent magnet as a function of line voltage.  You should also measure the magnetic hysteresis curve with and without a permanent magnet present of your simplest motor configuration that you demonstrated to me.  This is not difficult to do.  I attach a video entitled "Measurement of B-H Characteristic" that shows how this can be done with an oscilloscope, two resistors and a capacitor.   It can also be done with an integrating op-amp circuit. The attached text materials from the book by Haus and Melcher entitled Electromagnetic Fields and Energy also describe the measurement method and theory.   In any measurements you should also measure the true electrical power in from your outlet power (voltage, current, and phase angle) as well as shaft power (torque and speed).

Any talk of perpetual motion, over unity efficiency, etc. discredits you, now me, and your ideas.  I would not want to go to NASA or anywhere else to help promote your invention until basic testing and measurements are done so that the cause of shaft speed up due to a permanent magnet is understood and that the foolishness is stopped of hinting that your motor violates fundamental laws of physics.

Best of luck to you,
Markus Zahn

At 08:35 AM 2/18/2008, Thane C. Heins wrote:

Dear Dr. Zahn,
Please find enclosed an invitation for Dr. Habash and I to present at NASA. Dr. Habash is unable to go due to his present workload and I was wondering if you might be interested in going with me in his place?

Thanks
Thane

[gyulasun]

@gyulasun,

The core is a AMCC-320 PowerLite C-core.

[EDIT] The Neo magnet is so strong that I will probably rip the core in small fragments when I remove the magnet.
Metglass cores is made out of a long tape. The tape is so brittle that normal handeling can damage the core.

Groundloop.

Hi Groundloop,

OK, I understand. I wonder if you can separate the two metglas C cores from each other without problems?

If yes, then maybe making a coil on that C core which has the big Neo magnet and apply a certain DC current into that coil to form a countermagnetic field to the Neo poles?  So that the attraction of the Neo to the side of the C core is decreased by the electromagnet, then removing the Neo could be much easier?
If even the C cores separation is a problem because of the Neo, then the use of electromagnetic coil(s) could also be of help?

Gyula

[MainePower]

Dear Thane, your posting of the letter from Zahn I predict sets your 15 mins of fame clock at right around 14:59.  Your visit to him generated the news that is driving the excitement right now and your NASA invite on which you have no academia backing you (actually you now have negative academia backing).  The fact that he has turned down your invite rather harshly too rebukes the Zahn excitement quotes from the media making it sound as if you are onto something astounding and brings the whole device back down to earth. 

I believe you have a matter of a few days to do precisely what Zahn requests and post the results again publicly otherwise you will probably slip into obscurity.

I am neither master of magnets or electricity but common sense needs to be the only discipline applied to see what's going on.

1) Satisfy Zahn's request as quickly as possible.  Publically, perhaps more youtube videos are in order.
2) Try to save enough face here on forums like this to get at least SOMEONE to reproduce your motor who can also duplicate the Zahn testing.

A believer but now doubtful.

[Groundloop]

@gyulasun,

The magnet is in the center of the core, pulling the core together with great force.
See image.

Groundloop.