Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[OilBarren]

... what is apparent is that if something from the generator gets into the motor the motor becomes more powerful...

Aether, I have carefully read and re-read the postings; and I have carefully viewed and re-viewed the videos. There is no data anywhere in all of that which supports the idea that the motor becomes "more powerful". Speed is not the same thing as power - far from it. The simple, direct and objective test that I and others are suggesting would allow you to put some real numbers on this claim and so give you a sound basis for what you're saying. Measure the efficiency, with and without. That's all - simple.

CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR MODE
WITH ALL COILS LOADED AND 450 WATTS BEING SUPPLIED TO THE MOTOR THE SYSTEM CANNOT ROTATE. OUTPUT POWER = O

MAGNETICALLY COUPLED SYSTEM
WITH ALL COILS LOADED AND 196 WATTS BEING SUPPLIED TO THE MOTOR THE SYSTEM IS ACCELERATING BEYOND SAFE LIMITS AND GENERATOR OUTPUT IS INCREASING.

THE INPUT POWER IS 196 W AND IS APPRAOCHING 0
THE GENERATOR OUTPUT IS INCREASING AND APPROACHING INFINITY

- THE EFFICIENCY OF THE SYSTEM CANNOT BE DETERMINED YET BECAUSE THE UPPER SPEED LIMIT OF THE SYSTEM HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED.

Thane

[aether22]

... what is apparent is that if something from the generator gets into the motor the motor becomes more powerful...

Aether, I have carefully read and re-read the postings; and I have carefully viewed and re-viewed the videos. There is no data anywhere in all of that which supports the idea that the motor becomes "more powerful". Speed is not the same thing as power - far from it. The simple, direct and objective test that I and others are suggesting would allow you to put some real numbers on this claim and so give you a sound basis for what you're saying. Measure the efficiency, with and without. That's all - simple.

To rotate a load faster you need more power or the load to lessen, as Thane mentions the output of the shorted coils increase (as hence must eddy currents) as speed picks up and unless something very unconventional is going on the hysteresis is also.
For the load to lessen only when there is magnetic coupling from the motor would it require seemingly any type of electric motor to  output something that effects just this specific type of generator, that is a near impossibility.

Therefore we know as surely as possible that the motor is producing more power, now it is possible that due to the extra motor power it gets up to a speed where the back-emf/aether starts having an effect on and decreases the losses in the generator and so it is possible the benefits are all over the show, but it would still require more motor power first and this would be an even greater achievement.

Again, I said nothing new, there is nothing new to say, however if you read and comprehend what I say that would help.

[polarbreeze]

...we know as surely as possible that the motor is producing more power...

None of the measurements that have been provided give any evidence that the motor is actually producing more power. The only credible way to do that is to do actual measurements of power in and power out, comparing the system with and without the device in place. It is a very, very simple thing to set up - why don't you just do that?

[polarbreeze]

... what is apparent is that if something from the generator gets into the motor the motor becomes more powerful...

Aether, I have carefully read and re-read the postings; and I have carefully viewed and re-viewed the videos. There is no data anywhere in all of that which supports the idea that the motor becomes "more powerful". Speed is not the same thing as power - far from it. The simple, direct and objective test that I and others are suggesting would allow you to put some real numbers on this claim and so give you a sound basis for what you're saying. Measure the efficiency, with and without. That's all - simple.

CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR MODE
WITH ALL COILS LOADED AND 450 WATTS BEING SUPPLIED TO THE MOTOR THE SYSTEM CANNOT ROTATE. OUTPUT POWER = O

MAGNETICALLY COUPLED SYSTEM
WITH ALL COILS LOADED AND 196 WATTS BEING SUPPLIED TO THE MOTOR THE SYSTEM IS ACCELERATING BEYOND SAFE LIMITS AND GENERATOR OUTPUT IS INCREASING.

THE INPUT POWER IS 196 W AND IS APPRAOCHING 0
THE GENERATOR OUTPUT IS INCREASING AND APPROACHING INFINITY

- THE EFFICIENCY OF THE SYSTEM CANNOT BE DETERMINED YET BECAUSE THE UPPER SPEED LIMIT OF THE SYSTEM HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED.

Thane

Thane, what happens if you remove the coils (I mean physically remove them). What is the power input then and what is the motor speed (rpm)?

[aether22]

...we know as surely as possible that the motor is producing more power...

None of the measurements that have been provided give any evidence that the motor is actually producing more power. The only credible way to do that is to do actual measurements of power in and power out, comparing the system with and without the device in place. It is a very, very simple thing to set up - why don't you just do that?

Some things can just be assumed because they simply must be true unless something unbelievable has happened for no apparent reason, you do not throw something out the window and check that it actually fell instead of getting stuck in mid air just in the event gravity may selectively fail.

Secondly we DO know the drag from Lenz Law IF in place as assumed (if not that's OU!) is increasing since the coil output is increasing (and has been verified) so the drag from that is increasing.

Since there is no way for the generator to lose drag simply due to a magnetic connection to the motor and since this effect would be similarly useful and impressive we will either rule it out or accept it as just as good.

Since even you can not claim it possible that without the steel piece the generator has no or little drag (since it is great enough to bring it to a stand still) then the ONLY way for acceleration to occur (with the steel when shorted) is for there to be a huge reduction of losses in either the motor or the generator due to due to the magnetic connection, the chances of it being the latter alone while similarly useful are so incredibly improbable we may just as well rule it out as it would require an energy to flow from any kind of electric motor into the generator but have the drag reduction work on only this kind of generator, while just as useful and impressive it would be easily 100 times less likely than the reverse, it is not improbable it is patently ridiculous.

Again I have said all this before, and I don't expect you to grow ears, so can EVERYONE reading this who can understand and agrees with what I have said and agrees that polarbreeze does not have a leg to stand on please drop me a private message with a line expressing your agreement and I will post and update it as/if they roll in. (or reply to this thread if you would rather)

And if you agree with polarbreeze by all means message me also but I will ignore such messages from people who have made similar arguments on this thread (Jacksatan, Tinu etc...) and anyone who seems to have registered just to private message me to agree with polarbreeze. (otherwise everyone from the skeptic list will simply join)