Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[polarbreeze]

Look up Hooper-Monstein.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hpmoncrt.htm

[aether22]

"But wait, I forgot to include the fact that the Neo is probably saturating most/all of the core the the coil is wound on likely making it little more than an air core". Aether22

AETHER22 THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST INTERESTING PROPOSAL I HAVE HEARD YET...!
AN AIR CORE WOULD PRODUCE THE MINIMUM BACK EMF INDUCED FIELD.

SO WHY THE DIFFERENCE IN PERFOMANCE PRE AND POST 3" STEEL BAR?

WE HAVE ALSO CONSIDERED POSSIBLE MOTOR ACTION FROM THE ROTOR FLUX AT THE SHORTED COILS.
Thane

Sorry, let me clarify.
I said air core since the coil would not be wound over a core, but the coil would be placed over the shaft so in a way it is a steel cored coil.

The aim is to see if we can use the same pulsing current going through the generator coils and put it through a similar coil to create aether/back-emf/magnetic flux in another motor.
What way we have isolated it to just the influence of a coil on a motor.

And we can compare different current types.
If you are right and it is a magnetic field then the above experiment should work (as it should if I am right likely, though the aether is largely unknown) but if you are right then your generator can be turned into a motor power enhancing coil powered by conventional power.
And if I am right it likely will not. (unless so-called conventional power has much of an aetheric component)

[aether22]

"But wait, I forgot to include the fact that the Neo is probably saturating most/all of the core the the coil is wound on likely making it little more than an air core". Aether22

AETHER22 THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST INTERING PROPOSAL I HAVE HEARD YET...!
AN AIR CORE WOULD PRODUCE THE MINIMUM BACK EMF INDUCED FIELD.

SO WHY THE DIFFERENCE IN PERFOMANCE PRE AND POST 3" STEEL BAR?

WE HAVE ALSO CONSIDERED POSSIBLE MOTOR ACTION FROM THE ROTOR FLUX AT THE SHORTED COILS.
Thane

that is intresting

i  in reading this post got an idea   sorry guys ...   

but thane have you conssidered there may be some kind of wirless power tranmission between the coils motor and shorted generator coils

just poped into my head thought i would share it 

are your coils tuned  if they were would they not transmitt through resosnance

i just dont know enough about it  with out building .....

on my other ideas i shared they are only ideas and drawings and have yet to be proven true but what if .......

ist

happy easter everyone and God Bless

IST, you say sorry and yet you just made the one useful contribution to the thread IMO.

One thing the aether can do is pull in distant fields, it can literally bend flux and pull in power.
Now I had considered that maybe the generator was inducing energy into the motor but that does not make sense. (if it would happen it would not result in what is witnessed)
But the other direction might make sense, and in theory it could be induced in such a way as to have the generator turn into a motor, the problem is the timing would be critical, the number of poles and all sorts of details should matter and they apparently do not.

That is the kind of useful out of the box thinking it is nice to hear.

[aether22]

"By Faraday's law, the voltage on the coil is the rate of change of flux through the coil.
It doesn't matter one bit that the flux is confined to the shaft.
That's why transformers work, eh?"Cheers, Mr. Entropy

YES BUT TRANSFORMERS USUALLY DON'T  ROTATE AT 1000 RPM DO THEY?

Thane.

Doesn't matter. Put a coil around the shaft. Measure the current. This will tell you what the magnetic field is in the shaft. If you want to work out the absolute value, then you'll need to calibrate the coil against a known field - but you'll be able to learn a lot just by observing how the field changes when you change the "generator" operating conditions. It will be most interesting to look at the shape of it on an oscilloscope too.
PB

Wrong.
The coil can not tell you the strength of the field inside (unless you monitor it from a known zero flux level), it can only give you details in the rate of change.
if you have a 100,000 gauss field and it drops 1 gauss to 99,999 gauss you get the same voltage (and current) induced in a coil of wire around it as you would for 1 gauss dropping to 0.

[aether22]

note: whoops, modified this post in part by accident, anyway it's better now but misses the subject of theories.

Experiments:

Small measured mechanical loads, with and without generator. (as fought for by Jacksatan, it has real merit but is limited in usefulness as it puts numbers on the effect but does not tell us anything new about the effect besides it's magnitude)
Even more useful results of motor torque in measured as vince is carrying out.


Energize a coil from the generator and apply it's flux to another motor (or possibly the motor running the generator if isolated with the brass/pvc coupler) and see if it is effected. (possibly rectified and smooth)
Then switch powering it from a conventional source of electrical power which matches the electrical qualities in the previous test to see if it is just the magnetic field or something else in the current.

Update: To replicate the coil and magnet config which may prove critical also try a version where a magnet is attached to the motor shaft with the coil pointing at it's face. (the magnet rotating on it's long axis) Consider using a monopole rotor with this version of the experiment so the generator coils and the one applied to the motor both see the same pole facing them.

These 3 are a progression, if one fails go no further
A: Feed flux from generator into a motor which is not mechanically coupled. (have the shafts as close as possible or even lightly brushing if possible)  It would be hard to think of a reason this would fail but it would be very useful and make various tests asked for by JS & PB far far more effective and less ambiguous.

B: Hold the shaft of the motor under test in the above experiment still measuring it's static torque with varying levels of input from the generator.

C: If it works try effectively the same thing but with with a linear DC motor. (AKA a DC powered coil attracting a piece of steel, try feeding the steel or the coil)

Make an electromagnet or transformer with large hysteresis losses, see if the generator output (aether, back-emf) can lower the hysteresis. (under the theory that the motor power gain may be due to a reduction of energy wasted due to hysteresis)
note: There are many other tests that can be done if the 'whatever' can leave the shaft and effect other devices, you may test various transformers especially types with a loose coupling, radio reception/transmission and so on.

Amplification of the effect when various shorted coil forms are wound over the shaft. (possibly in series with the gen coils) - aether theory

Amplification of the effect by use of radioactive materials, very high voltage electric fields and UV or Xrays. -aether theory (all of these energize the aether)

New!! Instead of having an air-gap between the motor and generator have a non-magnetic material (one with no or little permeability) rod inserted, one possibility would be a non-magnetic stainless steel, a further idea would be to place magnets to saturate the low magnetic steel material to drop it's permeability to zilch.

Did I miss any?