Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[OUman]

...judging by the dates of the posts, after Thane responded to 1. and 2., he editted his post ("? Last Edit: April 29, 2008, 11:39:50 AM by OUman ?") which now mysteriously contains the section:

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Tektite

Hi, Tektite. Welcome. I probably did make an edit that crossed with Thane's reply but it wasn't anything substantial. In fact, that third point was there right from the first time I posted it and I did not change it. I too thought it odd that Thane did not reply to it but I'm glad you've draw attention to it:

I think if you contact Dr Habash you will find that he is not involved in any of these experiments and does not want to make any comment on them. If you doubt me, please go ahead and call him to verify this.

[JustMe]

Hi, Tektite. Welcome. I probably did make an edit that crossed with Thane's reply but it wasn't anything substantial. In fact, that third point was there right from the first time I posted it and I did not change it. I too thought it odd that Thane did not reply to it but I'm glad you've draw attention to it:

I think if you contact Dr Habash you will find that he is not involved in any of these experiments and does not want to make any comment on them. If you doubt me, please go ahead and call him to verify this.

I don't find it 'odd' in the least that Thane wouldn't bother acknowledging it.  Why is it that so many who share your general lack of enthusiasm for this find such import in the glaringly self evident? Of course he's not directly involved in the experiments - why would he be? And of course he wouldn't comment on Thane's results at this time because a) those results are incomplete and unverified; and b) the endeavor remains 'alternative' and 'outside the box' so for the sake of his reputation and the institution he represents he must remain removed from the process.  They haven't thrown Thane out on his ear either, have they.  I am extremely appreciative and proud of those at the University of Ottawa who quietly support (tolerate?) this work, regardless of the end result.  It's very courageous, and very forward thinking.

[LarryC]

But we are after all talking about an effect that isn't explained by the *known* laws of physics as we have found so far, so maybe mass/inertia is somehow being diddled by this strange electromagnetic contraption.[/i]

Glad you mentioned *known* laws of physics. Thanks to RCH, I reviewed DePalma Homopolar/Unipolar generator research. This was a shock moment to me as everything I had been taught required moving a conductor thru the flux to generate an emf. I was amazed to find that Faraday discovered the effect of a conductor and magnet moving in sync in 1831 generated emf. It was used in DC generators in the late 1800's and then lost out to AC generators as the best long line source. My University and High School Physics text have no mention of the homopolar generator. Apparently because it went against Lenz's law and could not be explained by modern physics. Lately, some universities are interested and testing, great.  I'm sure a lot of OU people allready know this fact. 

Regards,
Larry

[allcanadian]

Maybe it is time to explain how these high voltage coils could produce accelerating forces using the known laws of physics, but from a different perspective, one you have never considered.
Many people would see these accelerating coils as nothing more than wires wrapped around an iron core, they can measure voltage, current and the strength of the magnetic field generated--they can measure inductance and capacitance and that is the extent of there reality. But this is only a small part of what I see happening, if you want to understand this you have to see past the "effects" and understand "cause". The cause of this "accelerating effect" could be due to the qualities of the currents and the specific properties of the conductors. The coils have many turns of fine wire as such they they have a high resistance and in the right context a high capacitance.Many people have been led to believe this capacity is a fixed value but it is not, it is variable and dependant on the properties of the conductors and the qualities of the currents in them. We know low voltage currents have different qualities than high voltage currents, there is a progression from magnetic to electric fields. We know the frequency of the currents in the conductor determine the qualities of the fields, that is a low frequency will produce magnetic fields and as the frequency is raised there is a progression to electric fields. In this light we could say a high voltage/high frequency current will produce predominantly electric fields.
If we look at thanes high turn coils we see that a permanent magnet will produce a changing magnetic field in the iron core inducing a voltage in the windings (a transformer), the resistance however will limit current flow increasing the voltage thus the energy is stored as capacitance, as a changing electric field. What has not been considered is the "rate of change"--ie frequency relative to the specific length of the shorted conductor/coil. If the coil is shorted it could be considered a tuned resonant LC circuit in itself as it has both capacitance and self-inductance and if the rate of change should correspond with a lower harmonic of the resonant frequency then the coil could self-oscillate within itself. If we considered the inducing force (changing permanent magnetic field) to be equal to the induced force(voltage) then a high frequency resonant oscillation in the coil would dominate over the PM field because a high frequency field is predominantly an electric field and expells all external magnetic fields.
I understand this is something most people cannot concieve happening, that a known amount of energy can be transormed into something else of equal energy but having different qualities but we can see it everywhere if you look for it. As well I cannot concieve that there could be "extra" energy produced in this machine, it is more likely that the energy gained in attraction is transformed into an opposing condition to expell the magnetic field from the iron core.

[RCH]

Larry C,

So far, so good.

For your next "revelation," study carefully DePalma's discussion of his epic "spinning ball" experiment.  Even further clues as to what's really going on in Thane's "spinning generator" are to be found there ....     

Remember:

DePalma ultimately brought this "fundamental expertise in rotating and magnetic systems" to bear on Adam's final motor designs.

And, Allcanadian:

The energy is not being "created" in the machine; it is simply being transduced -- from a previously inaccessible reservoir -- by the (currently non-understood) actions of Thane's presently designed, highly inefficient versions of his "ultimate" machine ....


RCH