Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[Nali2001]

THIS SMELLS LIKE A VERY CAREFULLY PLANNED ATTEMPT TO DERAIL THIS THREAD BUT FORTUNATELY - I (AND I_RON) HAVE BEEN USING LAMINATED CORES FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW AND:

THE ACCELERATION IS NOT TOTALLY GONE

AND THE THING DOES NOT ACT LIKE A NORMAL GENERATOR

LOADING THE GENERATOR DOES NOT LOAD THE PRIME MOVER

IT WILL ACCELERATE BEYOND THE POINT EQUAL TO CORE DRAG LOSSES.

NICE TRY THERE SCUMBAG!
TRY AGAIN...

Thane

LAMINATED CORES CAUSING ACCELERATION CAN BE SEEN:

HERE
Reply #1926 on: May 04, 2008, 02:03:57 PM

HERE
Reply #1939 on: May 05, 2008, 09:51:59 AM

HERE
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4047.0;attach=23089

AND HERE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7PBavkMGwI

Hi there Thane,
I do not expect to be believed on my word but it is not meant in any way to derail yo stuff or this thread.
This machine and observations were made long before your topic was opened on overunity.com
It was an attempt to replicate patent number 6208061
http://www.google.com/patents?id=AkYGAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=6208061
And then it used solid steel 'closed looped' cores see below pictures.  In the pictures you also see a version using two laminated C cores to also close loop Lenz. Which in my tests also did not work for me.
Anyway I never got the same results as the patent described and so I started testing other core types like discussed earlier.
All of the models using solid steel cores did not work due to the reasons I feel valid stated earlier. But believe me that it is from my own observation and like said in the previous message "I have come up with the conclusion" that means it is my conclusion.
That you got positive indications using laminated cores is good, and the main reason why I keep checking this thread almost daily.
Since you see, I do would like to build a workable no load generator.

Regards,
Steven

[springfield]

So in the mean time I have come up with the conclusion. ?Yes you can have a under load accelerating machine, but (in watts) it will only accelerate up to the point that it equals the core drag losses (in watts)?.

@nali, I noticed something interesting in your desing - it looks like the shaft and coupler are made of aluminium. Maybe thats the differnce because if you look a tthe videos you'll see that this machine relies on feedbak down the shaft back into the motor. It behaves diffrenlty is you use a brass shaft versus steel. So maybe if youre shaft is not steel thats why you get different results. Sorry if its a red herring but its just from the pics it looks like its alu.
-Mike

[CRANKYpants]

Hi there Thane,
I do not expect to be believed on my word but it is not meant in any way to derail yo stuff or this thread.
This machine and observations were made long before your topic was opened on overunity.com
It was an attempt to replicate patent number 6208061... Which in my tests also did not work for me.
Anyway I never got the same results as the patent described and so I started testing other core types like discussed earlier.

PATENTS ARE WORTHLESS AND DON'T GUARANTEE SUCCESS.

IF YOU ARE SINCERE I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT MY YOUTUBE DEMO VIDEO #4 AND THE TOROID GENERATOR PRESENTED HERE USING THE 4 x 2 SHADED POLE MOTORS. ONE EMPLOYS STEEL BARS AND ONE EMPLOYS LAMINATIONS - ONE HAS NO LENZ EFFECT AND THE OTHER ACCELERATES (WHEN IN SERIES).

I HAVE TRIED THE SAME OVAL CORES AS THE PHOTOS YOU POSTED AS WELL ALSO WITH NEGATIVE RESULTS.

All of the models using solid steel cores did not work due to the reasons I feel valid stated earlier. But believe me that it is from my own observation and like said in the previous message "I have come up with the conclusion" that means it is my conclusion.

I ONCE BUILT AN AIRPLANE BASED ON AETHER22'S PLANS - AND IT CRASHED INTO OUmon"s HOUSE AND BURNT IT TO THE GROUND KILLING ALL HIS 10 CATS. IT'S MY CONCLUSION THAT AIRPLANES CAN'T FLY SAFELY OVER OUmon"s HOUSE.

YES IT'S A TOTALLY WRONG CONLUCION - BUT IT'S MY WRONG CONCLUSION

That you got positive indications using laminated cores is good, and the main reason why I keep checking this thread almost daily. Since you see, I do would like to build a workable no load generator.
Regards,
Steven

IF YOUR MACHINING WORK IS ANY INDICATION OF YOUR DESIRE THEN I AM CERTAIN THAT YOU WILL SUCCEED!

Thane

[aether22]

YOU CAN SEE HOW BADLY AETHER IS F_CKING UP

Hey! What the, well, no no fair enough.

NOW AETHER,

Sir Yes Sir.

CAN YOU TELL US IN 1000 WORDS OR LESS HOW YOU THINK AETHER IS PRODUCED?

Aether is not produced it is all present.
Useful effects can be gained from compressing it (rarefying it?), energizing it (agitating it, creating eddies) and moving it. (moving it through matter energizes it also)
Magnets (or possibly the aligned spins) create an aether flow as well as a magnetic field (I think always) and aether flows induce other aether flows at 90 degrees and more so it seems when it it a time varying aether flow.
As passing the magnet past the coil establishes a momentary aether flow through the core, which induces a flow in the shorted coil, the more turns and tighter (ID) this coil is the more powerfully it creates an enhanced aether flow through core eventually enough to push through to the core.

WHAT EFFECT IT HAS?

It can do various things including sucking/pulling in magnetic (EM) fields or projecting them an unusual distance. (This might be how the motor torque increases)

I can think of many ways of how the aether might be increasing the motors output (as Vince seemingly measured and IMO you have also definitively proven to occur)

To find out what is happening I would suggest experiments that test the aetheric output on different electromagnetic setups, including stalled motors, motors of different types, setups with measurable losses from hysteresis.

The aether can have a million effects depending on what you are looking for and how it is setup.

AND HOW IT CAN BE OPTIMIZED?

I have answered this before and I may leave off some of the things mentioned last time since maybe they won't come to mind right now.

First there are the obvious and mundane options.
Increasing the number of turns, decreasing the coil/cores inside diameter, increasing the number of coils, increasing the speed and number of magnets, putting more 'Thanerators' in series and parallel, the former increasing how fast the aether flows the latter how much flows.

Finally giving the aether a more optimal path.

Now we have the less mundane ones, let's see.

Placing a sample of radioactive materials by the coils. (I have a collection of radium coated watch hands)
note: Similar effects may be gained by HV being applied in the right way, both of these things energize the aether possibly due to the speeding particles causing turbulence. (preferably 20KV+)

Adding a further shorted coil along the way to enhance it by the 90 degree effect, on the shaft maybe. (possibly in series with the generator coils)

Making a coil or a section of wire composed of wire tightly twisted so that the 2 wires are almost constantly crossing at 90 degrees. (the aforementioned coil could be made this way)
Also any other coil form that has wires cross at and angle, there are a number of them.

Putting metal particles in the path of the aether flow. (It will energize the aether which is a good thing and likely to increase the motors output, however it also slows the aether flow and so it may stop or reduce the effect by stopping the aether from getting to the motor)

Possibly putting something to attract the aether stream. (probably by tuning an element to a dominant aetheric disturbance, most likely this would only attract a thin spectrum of the energized aether. This effect is observed in radionics and in tuning radios with ground antennas, this could be as simple (and hence marginally effective) as a variable inductor/resistor/capacitor from the motor casing to ground.

Another possibility is to replace the solid cores with air cores as Hoptoad has used, this allows a clear path for aether flow.
And then the further possibility of filling the the hole with noble gas, carbon or bismuth, all of which should create an increased aetheric flow.

Another possibility is to have a voltage (of up to say 1KV) between the rotor magnets and the stator coils. (this will cause the aether to spiral as aether generally moves at right angles to an electric field and along a magnetic field)

There are also ways to make it possibly solid state and still produce the aetheric output, and other ways to increase the effect which are possibly more bother than they are worth such as having the magnets and coils radially aligned so the aether flow focuses more effectively in the shaft, and to add another coil to the shaft to stop the aether from being 'wasted' by pouring out the other end of the shaft if in fact that is occurring.

There are many other things that might work but that's a decent start, I will be trying to think of any other ways and keep you posted.

THE CONCEPT OF AETHER HAS NO RELEVANCE FOR ME AND YOU MAY AS WELL BE TALKING ABOUT BUBBLE GUM.

For me too initially.

AND NO - I AM NOT FINANCING YOUR RESEARCH (ANYMORE THAN I ALREADY HAVE) BY DIVERTING MORE FUNDS TO COVER THE COST OF SHIPPING YOU SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN BUILD IN 1 - 2 HOURS - IF YOU FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS.

Are you withdrawing your offer to send it? (the coil you posted earlier)
I am happy to pay for everything but I think you are missing the point here. (I only mentioned that because a private message to you asking where you wanted me to send the rest of the money was met with no reply)

I have gone to real expense and effort to make a coil that matches your coil as close as I could, I got a close gauge of wire, a steel rod that except for being longer seems to match the rods you used initially (same diameter as the magnets).
I calculated the length would need to have the same length of wire that you used when you mentioned 27 gauge at 200 ohms. (hence my resistance turned out to be higher as I went with a metric version which is a little fatter than 30 gauge)

And yet I have multiple tap points so I can have a lower resistance and inductance, still nothing.

I had asked for more info on your coil but it was not forthcoming because 'it is easy, just wind it'.

So if you will give me enough info on the coil so I may build it then I will but this time I want much more info than just resistance. (inductance, turning direction, gauge, far more info on the core)
Is it possible I missed the simple instructions you refer to?
And an agreement that if I manage to hit a non working coil again you will send the one that does work.

I have tons of experiments I am waiting to do, mainly in the form of driving the generator by a belt (or maybe just isolating as the grass coupler did) and directing the aether into something other than the motor driving it.

ULI IS COMING THIS WEEK I BELIEVE AND I WILL ASK HIM IF HE WANTS TO DO IT.

FINALLY FOR ANYONE READING THIS WHO WANTS TO HAVE A GUARANTEED WORKING DEVICE OF THEIR OWN - WITHOUT THE BURDEN OF DOING THE ACTUAL WORK (OR FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS) - BUT WHO STILL WANTS TO LEARN - THEN LET ME KNOW AND I WILL BUILD AND SHIP YOU ONE WITH THE APPROPRIATE COSTS.

THANKS
Thane

Please tell me the costs of you sending a coil verified to work at 400-500rpm and hopefully 6 rotor magnets as the one you recently tested and photographed did.

[CRANKYpants]

It seems to me that people who do different experiments with different setups and get different results shouldn't be viewed as the enemy It's all instructive..

NO I DON'T AGREE - SOME OF IT IS MEANT TO BE DISRUPTIVE AS WE HAVE ALL EXPERIENCED BEFORE - WHICH IS THE ENEMY OF INSTRUCTION.

Thane