Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[Omnibus]

@smOky2,

Read carefully what I write. I said you're confusing energy with force and I'm not objecting to the fact that the force decreases with distance.

Your confusion about force and energy stands in the way of proper understanding of the issues at hand.

[sm0ky2]

I often do not agree with you but you have shown some common sense and reality

If you use a Wheel to enter the magnetic field based on what I have experienced there will not be an issue with the entry gate as the moving magnet will enter the array under attraction as the repulsion is encountered only at the front end of the array. IE enter the array before the end.

I offer no truths or data

     

This is true, only in a partial circle.  To gain full passage through the gate and utilize its force, you must enter at or near the meridian between the attraction zone and the transitional zone.
unfortunately, the repulsion zone, being spherical - passes through the circumferance  made by this complete circle, further out. you'll hit it when it circles aorund and comes back through.

toying with various diameters, i found that to completely "avoid" the repulsion zone, you're only passing through the gate at tiny intervals, and at least in my designs, that was not enough.

[Omnibus]

I often do not agree with you but you have shown some common sense and reality

If you use a Wheel to enter the magnetic field based on what I have experienced there will not be an issue with the entry gate as the moving magnet will enter the array under attraction as the repulsion is encountered only at the front end of the array. IE enter the array before the end.

I offer no truths or data

     

This is true, only in a partial circle.  To gain full passage through the gate and utilize its force, you must enter at or near the meridian between the attraction zone and the transitional zone.
unfortunately, the repulsion zone, being spherical - passes through the circumferance  made by this complete circle, further out. you'll hit it when it circles aorund and comes back through.

toying with various diameters, i found that to completely "avoid" the repulsion zone, you're only passing through the gate at tiny intervals, and at least in my designs, that was not enough.

One possible way out of this is probably what @klicUK did, using GIRON shields. Also, how about that idea with the antennae?

[Tinker]

Omnibus

When I have more data I will Post it, until then feel free to speculate.

Tinker

[sm0ky2]

@smOky2,

Read carefully what I write. I said you're confusing energy with force and I'm not objecting to the fact that the force decreases with distance.

Your confusion about force and energy stands in the way of proper understanding of the issues at hand.

im not confusing force with energy. -  i dont think you are understanding the process of determining the two values, and therefore are percieving some confusion on my behalf, which is simply not true.


repulsion force is overcome by the input energy (i.e. gravitational potential converted to kenetic energy over a distance) with a FORCE of  -9.81 m/s/s  which, equates to a momentum (v*m) at the time it hits the repulsion force. If this energy is greater than the energy value i described in the above equations (which is a function of the force of the repulsion field over the distance/time, at the vector angle of the ramp) then the roller will pass through the repulsion field and INTO the gate.  This is not a complicated process.  There is no force/energy confusion here.


quit trying to smear the issue.