Overunity Device using Magnets in the 1920's ?

[allcanadian]

Ok let's start getting tangible results , I think Hans is a hands on guy so if he is willing we will build an OU motor together. Im not going to post my motors, we are going to start very small and get results from square one---- results everyone can understand.
The projects starts here------http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4209.new.html#new

[hansvonlieven]

You are on allcanadian 

Hans

[Thaelin]

    http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4209.new.html#new

  Ignore this message as I needed to copy the link so it would work and help the rest out.

thaelin

[Charlie_V]

I still think that the Freischwinger has some potential.  I'm not taking the route you guys took though, I'm sticking closer to the original concept - changing a few things here and there.  I'll continue to tinker and let you fellows know if I find anything interesting.

Until then,
Charles Van Neste

[tao]

Hey guys,

I've been doing some thinking along these lines here and there. A rotary setup is surely preferred for many reasons, but I feel there will be many inherent problems with creating a rotary system, mainly because the essence of the Freischwinger has the movable member always in a region very near the equilibrium spot between the two pole pieces of the horseshoe magnet. So, having the soft iron reed leave the equilibrium area might not work and might result in normal motor/generator lenz effects and all that is normal in such rotary setups. Time will tell though, there is certainly still hope in a rotary setup. Mind you, the above were just some basic thoughts I had on the matter of a rotary setup.

Now, I've been doing some thinking along the lines of how we could test this puppy for OU/FE and do so in a manner where we could maximize potential OU/FE and do so with a fairly simple setup.

So, I have come up with a design (its ever changing, but I will present what I have now) that you might want to see. It can be setup relatively simply, it operates like a piston that can go in two directions. It also incorporates a generation action, so that we can directly create electric power and test for OU/FE that way.

Below is the GIF image for the design. Please note that I don't have my usual 3d image or otherwise done yet because I am using an 'eeePC' (google it) and I am not using a mouse with it, so bear with me until I get to a regular computer, hehehe.

Now, to describe the setup, the FOUR magnets you see in the GIF image are what I am calling the equilibrium magnets, there is an iron bar (can be another ferro material), there is also a coil around this iron bar (take note of the coil, it is wrapped around the LENGTH of the iron bar NOT the width) which will cause a magnetic field to be created though the width of the iron bar (NOT through the length as the Freischwinger does).

Now, I have done over 25 FEMM sims on this setup and have figured out how to best operated this device.

Look at the GIF image, where the iron bar is right now, it is in perfect equilibrium. If the iron bar moves even a fraction of an inch up or down, then the iron bar will have on it a force of 2+ Newtons moving in the direction it moved that fraction of an inch.

Not having a picture that describes the whole setup yet, I will cover briefly how it works now. The iron bar will only be allowed to move in a piston fashion, up and down (up and down based on the viewpoint in the GIF image). There will be two springs, one on each side of the iron bar (separated by a non magnetic rod so as to avoid magnetic attraction issues of the springs and the equilibrium magnets). Reaching through the center of the two springs, on either side, there will be another non magnetic rod piece that has a magnet on its end (this magnet will be used for the generation action), and past these end magnets will be pickup coils (two).

I am sincerely sorry if you don't GET what I am describing here, you will just have to wait for the picture I eventually make.

The operation of the device will be as so:
1. The iron bar will be slightly tapped by hand to get the device moving. The iron bar will be pulled VERY strongly into the equilibrium zone of the two magnets it is moving toward. This will cause an output on the pickup coil produced by the end magnet (generation action magnet).
2. the iron bar will keep moving toward the equilibrium zone of the two magnets it is moving toward and it will compress a spring as it gets stopped by a mechanical stop piece (so the iron bar doesn't go too far into the equilibrium zone.
3. At this point the spring is compressed, the iron bar is in the equilibrium zone.
4. The coil around the length of the iron bar will be pulsed electrically and will cause a left-right (based on the viewpoint of the GIF file) magnetization that opposes the orientation of the equilibrium spot between the equilibrium magnets.
5. Based on my FEMM sims, it only takes a small pulse and the iron bar will no longer be pulled into the equilibrium spot of the equilibrium magnets. This pulse causes the iron bar to want to leave the equilibrium spot fairly forcefully and this is also where the spring can kick in and add energy to the 'leaving process' (from the equilibrium magnets).
6. Now the iron bar will move away from the two equilibrium magnets that it was near and will move through the equilibrium point of the FOUR magnets combined and this is where the pulse cuts off and the pull from the OTHER two magnets will occur, FORCEFULLY pulling the iron bar into the equilibrium spot of THOSE two magnets.
7. Again, we have the compression of the spring, the power being output on the other pickup coil and the eventual stopping of the iron bar.
8. Again, another pulse if sent into the coil and the iron bar moves, etc. etc. etc.

So, the iron bar is moving up and down (from the viewpoint of the GIF file) VERY forcefully and only small current pulses into the driving coil are needed to cause the movement of the iron bar between the THREE DIFFERENT EQUILIBRIUM POINTS...

Ok, enough talking, haha, here is the pic.

Better pics, showing the whole setup (generator magnets, non magnetic rods, springs, etc.), will come later when I have time and get to a proper computer.

Peace guys...