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[BEP]

@Mark

You do realize with the non-radiating dipole you will be dealing with inverse cube vs. inverse square?
Also 'effective' dimensions vs. actual dimensions?

In Spheric's coil design I see two angles of simultaneous rotation (the axis of each of two coils ON at the same time). What do you propose is being rotated? Surely the ambient charge but would there be more?

[Grumpy]

In Spheric's coil design I see two angles of simultaneous rotation (the axis of each of two coils ON at the same time). What do you propose is being rotated? Surely the ambient charge but would there be more?

a little area of space that has a varying density and hence varying rate of entropy than the surrounding space..yada yada

Let's see, looking from the top, as the coils are pulsed:


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Looking at the side:

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Looks like you might have a difference in density in two directions - formed into a loop - how quaint...like a corkscrew around the toroidal ring's air core just like the wire or maybe like a varying magnetic field in the air core space - take you pick.

(above based on work of Wilbert Smith)

At this point, one might wonder what really causes "induction" since "time" is so inexorably attached to this effect.

[wattsup]

@MarkSnoswell

My main problem with the @sperics design is that basic problem of energy expended versus energy captured by the toroid. The energy required to generate the fields via coils, in order for them to push their fields out far enough to cover the toroid, will always be greater then the energy the toroid will be able to absorb. So for this to work, you will require a novel energy recovery system to capture the flyback form the coils and re-cycle it back into the system and/or a new toroid design that exhibits exeptional field capture.

[Grumpy]

@MarkSnoswell

My main problem with the @sperics design is that basic problem of energy expended versus energy captured by the toroid. The energy required to generate the fields via coils, in order for them to push their fields out far enough to cover the toroid, will always be greater then the energy the toroid will be able to absorb. So for this to work, you will require a novel energy recovery system to capture the flyback form the coils and re-cycle it back into the system and/or a new toroid design that exhibits exeptional field capture.

Why do you think this is the case?  The "collector" in spherics 4-coil arrangement is a first order toroid.  It's tempic field is perpendicular to the toroidal ring shape that it occupies and hence in all directions inward/outward from the surface.  I would think it would be an excellent candidate for induction via a rotating tempic field.  Solenoid, on the other hand, has the wrong orientation and would not recieve the coils influence, so to speak, and the rotation would not cross the wires, but would move along them - just ain't what you need - it has to move across the wires.

Going further along these lines, a solenoid produces a tempic field perpendicular to it's surface as well.  So, this would be inward/outward from the side as well as the ends, the field at the ends may extend a greater distance than the field at the sides, as I believe it is concentrated there.

Spherics also stated that two copper rods would also indicate a current -

The diameter of the toroid hole should be the same as the diameter of the toroid windings for optimum results but quite frankly you could stick two solid 1 cm diameter 3/4 circle copper bars into the field and measure substantial voltage and current.

I took this to mean that these two copper rods, bent into a 3/4 (270 degree) circle are oriented verticle or horizontal, but not centered - hence the voltage and current would vary depending on the angle and position in relation to the field.  Again, the tempic field has to move across the conductor and interact with the conductor's own fields.  How does the current come from an open wire?  Ancient Chinese secret - it is already in the conductor - you just make it move.

Enough time wasted trying to explain something that I only vaguely understand, time to build the thing - got to catch up with Ketone - who else is game?

[wattsup]

@Grumpy

There is nothing vaguely about this to understand. You need energy to produce a field. If you know the type of coils you want to wind, this should give you the energy you will require to generate a field. You can also measure in advance the distance this field has to permeate to cover the toroid. Add this to the energy expended from the top coil at each bottom coil iteration. This is the energy you will spend. Then see if your toroid can absorb at least that much energy. I am not saying it is impossible, far from it. Now if the toroid is simply a one layer 360 degree tight wound configuration, I would say forget it and do not waste your time. You will need a toroid that extends as a three dimensional object with maximum depth to capatilize on the fact that the rotating field is also in three dimensions.

What I mean is if your toroid core (or air core) was let's say 1/2" in diameter. You start your winds at let's say 1/4" apart as a first layer. You then put a 1/8"-1/4" padding over this layer then continue to wind a new layer again at 1/4" apart per turn, then add another layer of padding, then do another layer of turns, etc.  You do this until you are satisfied of the overall toroid thickness. This will produce a 3 dimensional toroidal component through which the rotating field can move without risking what I would imagine will be the main issue, and that is field deflection (which is not what you want). Think of it like a toroidal skewer. When you use a skewer to mix cooking ingredients, your need minimal force to produce maximum mix.

The neat thing is you can always increase the layers and re-test to see the difference of production per added layer.

Also, don't forget that with such a design, you are still losing at least 1/2 the field going in the other directions. That's always the bummer. Unless you add four smaller toroids on the other side of each coil or if there was any novel way of reflecting the lost field back towards the toroids. lol